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EDL Demo London

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EDL Demo London

Time: June 24, 2017 from 12pm to 4pm
Location: London
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Event Type: demonstration
Organized By: Kinana
Latest Activity: Jun 25, 2017

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England has suffered it's third terrorist attack in 9 weeks
30 innocent people have been murdered
Over 100 have been seriously injured
and thousands have been directly affected by the actions of islamic terrorism.
Join us to march on parliment and demand that our politicians do the job they were elected to do.
Protect this nation and its people
we demand they act to combat the threats and actions of islamic terrorism.

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Comment by Kinana on June 25, 2017 at 8:58
Comment by Kinana on June 24, 2017 at 0:16

slight update

The March leaves at 13:00 to demo point with speeches to follow and finished at 14:30 pm

Comment by Kinana on June 23, 2017 at 13:17
Comment by Kinana on June 23, 2017 at 13:14

EDL statement on the Islamic attack at London Bridge – Saturday 3 J...

Last night “soldiers of Allah” once again attacked innocent people, killing at least seven and seriously injuring others who were out for an enjoyable evening in the city.

This is yet another terror attack that has slipped through the UK’s counter-terrorism surveillance operation. We have no criticism of MI5 and their police counterparts (especially the brave undercover operatives and informers). With 23,000 known potential jihadists among us we acknowledge the impossibility of monitoring them all sufficiently to prevent such attacks. There has to be a better way.

Killing innocent victims

We often do not share a common point of reference on the meaning of common words.

For example, if the killers have “twisted” their religion/ideology, one of the most twisted aspects of that ideology is to pervert the word “innocent”. For Western non-Muslims “innocent” refers to someone who is not guilty of any action that would justify punishment.

For the “twisted” Muslim however, “innocent” refers to someone who does not offend Islam. However, non-Muslims who do not submit to Muslim rule are not innocent; rather they are guilty of being an unbeliever and of “spreading corruption/mischief” (Quran 5:32-33) in Muslim lands.

This enables the twisters to look us in the eye and truthfully proclaim “Nowhere in the prophetic traditions will you see Mohammed say ‘kill innocent people,’ nor will you find it in the Koran” – while still condoning the killing of infidels for being infidels.  


Comment by Kinana on June 23, 2017 at 13:12
Comment by Kinana on June 23, 2017 at 13:11

Details as follows for London Demo:
Muster point is outside Charing Cross Station from 12. 00 .. plz note this is a muster point ... onwards
March leaves at 1:30 to demo point with speeches to follow and finished at 3:30 pm .
Please make the effort to come as this is a very important demo to show our spineless government that we won't stand for this. Can't achieve anything shouting at the TV so feet on the street NFSE

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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