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EDL demo Manchester

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EDL demo Manchester

Time: March 7, 2015 from 1pm to 4pm
Location: Manchester
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Event Type: demo, edl
Organized By: Kinana
Latest Activity: Mar 24, 2015

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Taking the message to the streets of Manchester

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Comment by Kinana on March 24, 2015 at 15:11

from a FB EDL friend:

Just had a call from greater MANCHESTER. Police thanking the steward's and footsoldiers.for a peacefull demo on 7th March... there estimate was that 600-700 of us were there on the day.. Roll on Oxford.....

Comment by Kinana on March 9, 2015 at 16:14
Published on Mar 9, 2015

The English Defence League march through Manchester City Centre highlighting the epidemic of Muslim Grooming Gangs and People Trafficking here and elsewhere in the county. No Surrender!

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 16:01

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Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 15:57

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 15:56

Mmmm, which posters do we not approve of?  In the end all were allowed.  While the decision was being made I spoke to a couple officers for about 15 minutes about free speech vs hate speech and their need for a quiet life!

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 15:53

Solidarity from Germany!  I believe that groups from Spain and Poland were also there.

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 15:52

Under this banner from the Town Hall.  And where is the real hate coming from?

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 15:44

the reporter here says 600 attended.  The headline says 400.  I did not see any arrests.  I would go with the 600 number as more accurate.

Still the emphasis on the cost of the policing.  Tony Lloyd is suggesting that the EDL pay for the cost of the "day's entertainment."

Comment by Kinana on March 8, 2015 at 14:28

We will return until the problems we are highlighting are solved.  Tony Lloyd can sick his head in the sand but not the EDL!


Speaking after the demonstration by the English Defence League in Manchester city centre on Saturday 7 March 2015, Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Lloyd said:

“I’m really pleased that today’s demonstration passed off without major incident or disruption. That doesn’t happen by chance and I would like to thank Greater Manchester Police, Manchester City Council and other agencies for their hard work in ensuring that most people in the city centre would have been entirely oblivious to this demo. Just yards away, Mancunians were going about their normal business, which shows that the management of the demonstration was a success.

“Earlier this week I, along with faith, community and civic leaders, called on the people of Greater Manchester to ignore the English Defence League. I am proud that residents did just that. I hope it shows the EDL that we are just not interested in their message of hatred and division. When they come here, we turn our backs on them. Given that the EDL’s message is rejected here in our great city, I would ask they simply don’t come back.”

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