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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"The Left's organisation is as nothing compared to that of Muslims. Of course, across…"

Joe replied Mar 10, 2017 to Mountain Guerilla: Only the Left is Organised / Tribalism is the only way forward

3 Mar 10, 2017
Reply by Joe

"The "moderate" imams met with Hezbollah and Hamas as part of their organised cultura…"

Joe replied Apr 6, 2014 to Motoons Exposed in 2006 - yet the Fraud Continues until this day.

5 Apr 8, 2014
Reply by Alan Lake

"He's probably starting to realise, that people are becoming aware that the MoToons v…"

Joe replied Aug 10, 2013 to Motoons Exposed in 2006 - yet the Fraud Continues until this day.

5 Apr 8, 2014
Reply by Alan Lake

"Other people's foolish misapprehension is much to be desired.   I don't understand w…"

Joe replied Jun 15, 2012 to Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".

12 Jun 16, 2012
Reply by Dave

"That letter does not prove anything.  But then I'm not accusing you of anything.  I…"

Joe replied Jun 15, 2012 to Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".

12 Jun 16, 2012
Reply by Dave

"Ah. I see.  I didn't know that the "EDL extremist" arrested for having sparklers was…"

Joe replied Jun 15, 2012 to Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".

12 Jun 16, 2012
Reply by Dave

"And, right on cue, we have an MP standing up in Parliament to denounce the alleged t…"

Joe replied Jun 13, 2012 to Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".

12 Jun 16, 2012
Reply by Dave

"Ah, Antony... that would seem to put you firmly in the camp of Charlie Flowers, who…"

Joe replied Jun 13, 2012 to Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".

12 Jun 16, 2012
Reply by Dave

"The Breivik blame game http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3974320.html Some people seem…"

Joe replied Apr 26, 2012 to The Politics of Demonization

2 Apr 26, 2012
Reply by Joe

"Almost identical guidelines are to be found in Norway for their journalists:  http:/…"

Joe replied Apr 20, 2012 to National Union of Journalists - Guidelines on Race Reporting

6 Apr 20, 2012
Reply by Dave

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Muslim Terrorism Count

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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