African-American Muslims—Slaves to a Racist Ideology - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T09:40:24Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/african-american-muslims-slaves-to-a-racist-ideology?groupUrl=slaves&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A123372&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A6771&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI cannot recommend this book…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-13:3766518:Comment:1236262013-05-13T09:32:55.189ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>I cannot recommend this book highly enough. It is the most important book on islam I've ever read (in fact, I think it is probably the most important book that anyone in the west could read right now).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/Mohammed_%26_Charlemagne_Revisited%3A_The_Epilogue/" target="_blank">http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/Mohammed_%26_Charlemagne_Revisited%3A_The_Epilogue/</a></p>
<p>The Epilogue is where Emmet Scott spells out the…</p>
<p>I cannot recommend this book highly enough. It is the most important book on islam I've ever read (in fact, I think it is probably the most important book that anyone in the west could read right now).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/Mohammed_%26_Charlemagne_Revisited%3A_The_Epilogue/" target="_blank">http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/Mohammed_%26_Charlemagne_Revisited%3A_The_Epilogue/</a></p>
<p>The Epilogue is where Emmet Scott spells out the historical and civilisational significance for a true understanding of what he has argued in the rest of the book. <br/><br/>I really think we should all buy a copy of it (and buy it from the New English Review, as they went to the trouble of publishing it).</p> Thanks for the info, Indo. I…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-13:3766518:Comment:1236212013-05-13T04:42:14.576ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Thanks for the info, Indo. I agree that slavery is widespread and in many forms, especially with the modern upsurge in <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">trafficking</span>. But <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">lets</span> make sure we don't let Muslims do their standard trick (like with the Crusades) where they <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">try make us</span> focus on our smaller and accidental infractions, so that our guilt (which they never…</p>
<p>Thanks for the info, Indo. I agree that slavery is widespread and in many forms, especially with the modern upsurge in <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">trafficking</span>. But <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">lets</span> make sure we don't let Muslims do their standard trick (like with the Crusades) where they <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">try make us</span> focus on our smaller and accidental infractions, so that our guilt (which they never <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">feel</span>) stops us pressing them on their major and ideologically mandated <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">attrocities</span>. </p>
<p>I think we also have to be careful not to dilute the vocabulary (you didn't do this, but I'm just tossing in an extra point generally). One could argue that women working for a pittance in Chinese factories are under a form of slavery, which would be slavery co-erced by economic forces. But if we let the word be used for that, then we aren't really doing justice to the Christians in Sudan who are physically taken even now, chained, forced to sleep with the animals and never paid and barely fed - that is what I feel we should reserve the word slavery for, just to keep things clear for everyone.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, Muslims trafficked more slaves than the Christian countries, but you never hear a word of blame affixed to them. Their slaves have mostly gone because they castrated them all, but you never hear a word about that, for fear of offending them. They were the last to get rid of slavery, and that only as a result of pressure from the West. And, we are missing a book here, but I feel that many of the darker sides of Western culture, like the Sicilian mafia, the messed up Bulgaria, and slavery itself, were the result of contamination by contact with Islam.</p> The article is an excellent s…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-12:3766518:Comment:1233822013-05-12T16:15:33.309ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>The article is an excellent summary. I have taken several uni courses (years ago!) on slavery and not once was the slave trade and slavery institutions or theological underpinnings of slavery from the Arab/Muslim world mentioned. Not once. I was robbed!</p>
<p>Ibn Warraq speaks of this issue and says in the West we are self critical in a way that Islam is not; and also that we must recognise that Christianity played a part in turning the tide against slavery in the West. </p>
<p>re 1963…</p>
<p>The article is an excellent summary. I have taken several uni courses (years ago!) on slavery and not once was the slave trade and slavery institutions or theological underpinnings of slavery from the Arab/Muslim world mentioned. Not once. I was robbed!</p>
<p>Ibn Warraq speaks of this issue and says in the West we are self critical in a way that Islam is not; and also that we must recognise that Christianity played a part in turning the tide against slavery in the West. </p>
<p>re 1963 that was the year that the<span> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates" title="United Arab Emirates">United Arab Emirates</a><span> abolished slavery.</span></p> The jewish Bible is a series…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-12:3766518:Comment:1235442013-05-12T14:50:51.077ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The jewish Bible is a series of documents concerning the lives of people who lived 3500 years ago.</p>
<p>Slavery may well have died out in the west over 1,000 years ago, if islam had not been invented as a counter-reformation against judaism and christianity (both of which were reformations of judaism occurring over 2000 years ago).</p>
<p>I am fairly confident in asserting that european civilisation was toxically corroded by the invention/subjugation to islam. It may well be that in those…</p>
<p>The jewish Bible is a series of documents concerning the lives of people who lived 3500 years ago.</p>
<p>Slavery may well have died out in the west over 1,000 years ago, if islam had not been invented as a counter-reformation against judaism and christianity (both of which were reformations of judaism occurring over 2000 years ago).</p>
<p>I am fairly confident in asserting that european civilisation was toxically corroded by the invention/subjugation to islam. It may well be that in those parts of asia that were corrupted by the influence of islam, that slavery there would have died out earlier than it did (I know in Thailand slavery was not made illegal until the end of the 19th century).</p>
<p>In the islamic world there was never an internal critique that sought to end slavery. It only ended through violence/persuasion from the christian west. In the christian west there were moves to end slavery before islam even began. There were 4 church councils that progressively tried to restrict slavery as it applied to christians between 441AD and 633AD. <a href="http://4freedoms.com/xn/detail/3766518:Comment:117138" target="_blank">http://4freedoms.com/xn/detail/3766518:Comment:117138</a></p>
<p>Probably most of later christian involvement in the slave trade came about as a result of a) the demand for slaves by muslims (even Viking raids on northern europe appear to have been performed to feed into the demand for slaves by muslims), b) moral contamination from proximity/domination by islam. For example, if we want to condemn those christians and jews in Andalusia who prepared slaves for muslims by castrating the slaves, we should be equally prepared to condemn those jews who were Kapos in the Nazis concentration camps (in both cases, the perpetrators were subjugated peoples working for others whose immorality corrupted their own morals). Certainly I know a minority of jews who have contempt for the Kapos, but most insist that the Kapos should receive no criticism or blame.</p>
<p>Considering the imprint that islam had on countries as wide afar as Ireland and Nigeria, and Hungary and Afghanistan and Indonesia, over a period of 1300 years, I think we do history a disservice if we do not consider what would have happened if islam had never existed.</p> On the other hand, any Ideolo…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-12:3766518:Comment:1234942013-05-12T14:22:52.241ZIndoeuropeanhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Indoeuropean
<p>On the other hand, any Ideology, or Culture, or Group, or Religion, or Policy, which is based on ethnic or racial Issues, is racist.</p>
<p>Therefore, not only Arabo <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_noSuggestion GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">islamicity</span> is racist, but several other ethnic Ideologies/Religions/Policies, are [racist].</p>
<p>And soon or later, the Fruits of Racism get collected by Humanity [as a whole - even modern Phisics admits that, in the end, we are all…</p>
<p>On the other hand, any Ideology, or Culture, or Group, or Religion, or Policy, which is based on ethnic or racial Issues, is racist.</p>
<p>Therefore, not only Arabo <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_noSuggestion GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">islamicity</span> is racist, but several other ethnic Ideologies/Religions/Policies, are [racist].</p>
<p>And soon or later, the Fruits of Racism get collected by Humanity [as a whole - even modern Phisics admits that, in the end, we are all connected].</p>
<p>We, in case of wiling to be fair, honest and just [equanimous], should denounce any Instance of Racism, or Ethnicism [they are often tied to an Ideology, be it religious or political, and often tied to a Book, be it considered holy/revealed or philosophically/economically inspired].</p>
<p>Moreover, Racism/Ethnicism turns eventually into Classism [where usually a, so considered, elected Group keeps a number of Priviledges for itself, leaving others in Indigence or more Indigence].</p>
<p>I don't know, whether Ideologies were born on Ethnicism [and later, Classism], or wheter the latters were born on the formers.</p>
<p>Though, let's have a look to the History of Slavery [which is not a matter of the Past - it is still practiced, and the Victims are weaker and indigent People from all over the World <-- were maybe interesting to know who are the so called Landlords]:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_sla...</a> --></p>
<blockquote><h1 class="left"><em>What is modern slavery?</em></h1>
<p class="left"><em>Millions of men, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx#" style="text-decoration: underline;" id="_GPLITA_0" title="Click to Continue > by Browse to Save" name="_GPLITA_0">women</a> and children around the world are forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.</em></p>
<p class="left"><em>Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.</em></p>
<p class="left"><em>Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:</em></p>
<div class="left"><ul>
<li><em>forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;</em></li>
<li><em>owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;</em></li>
<li><em>dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';</em></li>
<li><em>physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.</em><br/><em> </em></li>
</ul>
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<h2><em><strong>What types of slavery exist today?</strong></em></h2>
<p><em><strong>Bonded labour</strong> affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Early and forced marriage</strong> affects women and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx#" style="text-decoration: underline;" id="_GPLITA_1" title="Click to Continue > by Browse to Save" name="_GPLITA_1">girls</a> who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Forced labour</strong> affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Slavery by descent</strong> is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Trafficking</strong> involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Worst forms of child labour</strong> affects an estimated 126 million** children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.</em></p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#Biblical_era" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#Biblical_era</a> --></p>
<blockquote><h2><em><span class="mw-headline" id="Biblical_era">Biblical era</span></em></h2>
<p><em>In antiquity, Jewish society allowed slavery.<sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_6_4-0" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_6-4">[4]</a></sup> Slaves were seen as an essential part of a Jewish household.<sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_382_5-0" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_382-5">[5]</a></sup> It is impossible for scholars to quantify the number of slaves that were owned by Jews in ancient Jewish society, or what percentage of households owned slaves, but it is possible to analyze social, legal, and economic impacts of slavery.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-6">[6]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>The <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bible" title="Jewish Bible" class="mw-redirect">Jewish Bible</a> contains two sets of rules governing slaves: one set for Jewish slaves (Lev 25:39-43) and a second set for <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan" title="Canaan">Canaanite</a> slaves (Lev 25:45-46).<sup id="cite_ref-Hastings.2C_p_619_1-1" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hastings.2C_p_619-1">[1]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_29_7-0" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_29-7">[7]</a></sup> The main source of non-Jewish slaves were prisoners of war.<sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_382_5-1" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_382-5">[5]</a></sup> Jewish slaves, in contrast to non-Jewish slaves, became slaves either because of extreme poverty (in which case they could sell themselves to a Jewish owner) or because of inability to pay a debt.<sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_6_4-1" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_6-4">[4]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>In biblical times, non-Jewish slaves were drawn primarily from the neighboring <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan" title="Canaan">Canaanite</a> nations,<sup id="cite_ref-Schorsch.2C_p_63_8-0" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Schorsch.2C_p_63-8">[8]</a></sup> and the Jewish Bible provided religious justification for the enslavement of these neighbors: the rules governing Canaanites was based on a curse aimed at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_%28Biblical_figure%29" title="Canaan (Biblical figure)" class="mw-redirect">Canaan</a>, a son of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham" title="Curse of Ham">Ham</a>,<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-9">[9]</a></sup> but in later eras the Canaanite slavery laws were stretched to apply to all non-Jewish slaves.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-10">[10]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>The laws governing non-Jewish slaves were more harsh than those governing Jewish slaves: non-Jewish slaves could be owned permanently, and bequeathed to the owner's children,<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-11">[11]</a></sup> whereas Jewish slaves were treated as servants, and were released after 7 years of service.<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-12">[12]</a></sup> One scholar suggests that the distinction was due to the fact that non-Jewish slaves were subject to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Canaan" title="Curse of Canaan" class="mw-redirect">curse of Canaan</a>, whereas God did not want Jews to be slaves because he freed them from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus" title="The Exodus">Egyptian enslavement</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-13">[13]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>The laws governing Jewish slaves were more lenient than laws governing non-Jewish slaves, but a single Hebrew word, ebed (meaning slave or servant) is used for both situations. In English translations of the Bible, the distinction is sometimes emphasized by translating the word as "slave" in the context of non-Jewish slaves, and "servant" or "bondman" for Jewish slaves.<sup id="cite_ref-Jewish_Encyclopedia_14-0" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Jewish_Encyclopedia-14">[14]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>Most slaves owned by Jews were non-Jewish, and scholars are not certain what percentage of slaves were Jewish: one scholar says that Jews rarely owned Jewish slaves after the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean" title="Maccabean" class="mw-redirect">Maccabean</a> era, although it is certain that Jews owned Jewish slaves during the time of the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_exile" title="Babylonian exile" class="mw-redirect">Babylonian exile</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-Hezser.2C_p_6_4-2" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hezser.2C_p_6-4">[4]</a></sup> Another scholar suggests that Jews continued to own Jewish slaves through the Middle Ages, but that the Biblical rules were ignored, and Jewish slaves were treated the same as non-Jews.<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-15">[15]</a></sup></em></p>
<p><em>Scholars are not certain how faithfully Jews obeyed the slavery laws. Jeremiah 34:8-22 describes, in very forceful terms, how God punished the Israelites for not properly following the laws on slavery, and that suggests that the laws were not followed very strictly.<sup id="cite_ref-Hastings.2C_p_619_1-2" class="reference"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slavery#cite_note-Hastings.2C_p_619-1">[1]</a></sup></em></p>
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<p>[WikiPedia and Documents in other Languages - not English, will tell more about the Problem, which has been and still be a Problem].</p>
<p>Good and beautiful, enlightened and lightful, Day [and Life] to every Mother, [Son/Daughters and Father] belonging to everz Race, and adhering to every Religion/Policy.</p> Yes, but I'm surprised its ma…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-10:3766518:Comment:1233722013-05-10T16:29:43.953ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Yes, but I'm surprised its managed to stay there on islam-watch.org :-)</p>
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<p>Yes, but I'm surprised its managed to stay there on islam-watch.org :-)</p>
<p></p> I think "1963" is a typo of "…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-10:3766518:Comment:1232902013-05-10T09:09:44.634ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>I think "1963" is a typo of "1863".</p>
<p>I think "1963" is a typo of "1863".</p> slavery was abolished in the…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-05-10:3766518:Comment:1232792013-05-10T01:03:47.100ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<blockquote><p><span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">slavery</span> was abolished in the United States in 1963 primarily due to the recognition that all people are equal</p>
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<p>That must have been put there to test the readers :-) Slavery was ended by Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation after winning the Civil War, in 1863, then formally abolished by the 13th Amendment in 1865.</p>
<blockquote><p><span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_correct">slavery</span> was abolished in the United States in 1963 primarily due to the recognition that all people are equal</p>
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<p>That must have been put there to test the readers :-) Slavery was ended by Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation after winning the Civil War, in 1863, then formally abolished by the 13th Amendment in 1865.</p>