Ahmadiyya Muslims - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T15:57:13Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/ahmadiyya-muslims?groupUrl=theology&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A198431&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A7416&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIn just the same way that Rep…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-10-23:3766518:Comment:1982352018-10-23T18:00:59.475ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>In just the same way that Republicans are accused of having a token black in Sonnie Johnson or Candice Owen, or they say that Prof Thomas Sowell is an Uncle Tom - perhaps we should see the Ahmadiyya Muslims as Islam's token nice guy.</p>
<p>In just the same way that Republicans are accused of having a token black in Sonnie Johnson or Candice Owen, or they say that Prof Thomas Sowell is an Uncle Tom - perhaps we should see the Ahmadiyya Muslims as Islam's token nice guy.</p> Comment by Philip Smeeton 3 h…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-10-23:3766518:Comment:1982322018-10-23T18:00:08.233ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Comment by Philip Smeeton 3 hours ago</p>
<p>“We believe that loyalty and love to one’s country is part of our faith......"<br></br> This is of course a blatant lie. The faith of Islam does not mention national patriotism, only loyalty to Islam.<span> </span><br></br> Those that died in the Great War would not have fought if they had known what Britain was to become. It would have been better to let the krauts march in.…</p>
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<p>Comment by Philip Smeeton 3 hours ago</p>
<p>“We believe that loyalty and love to one’s country is part of our faith......"<br/> This is of course a blatant lie. The faith of Islam does not mention national patriotism, only loyalty to Islam.<span> </span><br/>
Those that died in the Great War would not have fought if they had known what Britain was to become. It would have been better to let the krauts march in.</p>
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<p>Love for all Muslims</p>
<p>Hatred for none- Muslims.</p> From the notice about them se…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-10-23:3766518:Comment:1984312018-10-23T13:12:46.842ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>From the notice about them selling poppies i read this:</p>
<p>MUSLIMS spent their day selling Poppies as part of this year’s Remembrance Sunday appeal. The youth group from the Ahmadi Muslim Community Centre, in Tolpits Lane, Watford, pounded the streets in Watford Town Centre on Sunday. The youngsters said thy were proud to raise money for the Royal British Legion. Youth leader Jawad Qamar said</p>
<blockquote><h5><em>“We believe that loyalty and love to one’s country is part of our faith.…</em></h5>
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<p>From the notice about them selling poppies i read this:</p>
<p>MUSLIMS spent their day selling Poppies as part of this year’s Remembrance Sunday appeal. The youth group from the Ahmadi Muslim Community Centre, in Tolpits Lane, Watford, pounded the streets in Watford Town Centre on Sunday. The youngsters said thy were proud to raise money for the Royal British Legion. Youth leader Jawad Qamar said</p>
<blockquote><h5><em>“We believe that loyalty and love to one’s country is part of our faith. We do this every year and we encourage people to take part. We believe we are helping those who are protecting us by supporting them in any way possible.”</em></h5>
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<p>The response from members of the public was “overwhelmingly positive”, they added.</p>
<p>'<em>We believe we are helping those who are protecting us...'</em></p>
<p>Oh the irony. They do everything they can, via dawa, to destroy the country which is protecting them from other Muslims who will kill them and are killing them in Pakistan and elsewhere. These peaceful Muslims here in the UK need 'violent' Christians to protect them and yet they are trying convert these same Christians/English people to their brand of Islam!</p> Comment by Tony Ashworth Prep…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-10-23:3766518:Comment:1984302018-10-23T13:07:01.771ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
Comment by Tony Ashworth <p>Prepare to wince -</p>
<p>Muslim group sell Remembrance Sunday Poppies | Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK | Love For All Hatred For None…</p>
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Comment by Tony Ashworth <p>Prepare to wince -</p>
<p>Muslim group sell Remembrance Sunday Poppies | Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK | Love For All Hatred For None</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.loveforallhatredfornone.org/muslim-group-sell-remembrance-sunday-poppies/?fbclid=IwAR0cH6El9hSVLIk51JVa-4migjvlVKOBzzPcAn4BeHSB-LRRCE2Yn4lrCac"></a><a href="http://www.loveforallhatredfornone.org/muslim-group-sell-remembrance-sunday-poppies/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.loveforallhatredfornone.org/muslim-group-sell-remembranc...</a></p> ECAW, the hate part of their…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-11-27:3766518:Comment:1843222016-11-27T16:34:07.791ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>ECAW, the hate part of their slogan is easy to refute. As you know the Quran is so full of it, it makes you think that they are reading another Quran! re Q 60:4 see <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/tiles/forum/topics/07-enmity-and-hatred-for-ever" target="_self">here</a></p>
<p>As for the love part, the contrast with another belief system could not be greater. Christianity tells Christians to look to Jesus. If Muslims look to Mohammed what do they…</p>
<p>ECAW, the hate part of their slogan is easy to refute. As you know the Quran is so full of it, it makes you think that they are reading another Quran! re Q 60:4 see <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/tiles/forum/topics/07-enmity-and-hatred-for-ever" target="_self">here</a></p>
<p>As for the love part, the contrast with another belief system could not be greater. Christianity tells Christians to look to Jesus. If Muslims look to Mohammed what do they <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/tiles/forum/topics/01-the-perfect-man" target="_self">find</a>?! </p>
<p>I think the Ahmadiyya Muslims get around these difficulties by saying Mohammed has been surpassed by another 'prophet.' This of course makes them a target for hatred by other, more orthodox Muslims.</p> Presumably he will say that h…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-11-26:3766518:Comment:1842322016-11-26T16:37:18.983ZECAWhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ECAW
<p>Presumably he will say that he is only promoting his version of Islam and the others have all got it wrong. Good luck but I never find it a rewarding experience debating with Muslims (or people of any other religious persuasion, actually). Didn't someone say "If religious people were susceptible to logic there would be no religious people"?</p>
<p>Anyway, I sympathise with the other lot. Anyone who renounces hatred is disavowing Allah (and deserves to die, the filthy apostate!)</p>
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<p>Presumably he will say that he is only promoting his version of Islam and the others have all got it wrong. Good luck but I never find it a rewarding experience debating with Muslims (or people of any other religious persuasion, actually). Didn't someone say "If religious people were susceptible to logic there would be no religious people"?</p>
<p>Anyway, I sympathise with the other lot. Anyone who renounces hatred is disavowing Allah (and deserves to die, the filthy apostate!)</p>
<p>"…and their unbelief does not increase the disbelievers with their Lord in anything except hatred;" (Koran 35:39)</p>
<p>"…Certainly Allah's hatred (of you) when you were called upon to the faith and you rejected, is much greater than your hatred of yourselves." (40:10)</p>
<p>“There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone…" (60:4)</p>