Attitudes to Homosexuality: 2 Surveys Contrasting Muslims with Christians - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T20:55:02Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/attitudes-to-homosexuality-2-surveys-contrasting-muslims-with?groupUrl=maps&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A147684&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A857&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWatch the fascist left rush t…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-22:3766518:Comment:1476842014-05-22T23:09:20.725ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Watch the fascist left rush to the defence of headmaster <span>Abdul Qadeer Baksh in the interests of protecting cultural purity (you know, that thing the Nazis used to talk about).</span></p>
<p>Watch the fascist left rush to the defence of headmaster <span>Abdul Qadeer Baksh in the interests of protecting cultural purity (you know, that thing the Nazis used to talk about).</span></p> http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/n…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-22:3766518:Comment:1476772014-05-22T11:12:44.133ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p><a href="http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/community/community-news/inspectors-kicked-out-of-islamic-faith-school-after-pupils-quizzed-on-homosexuality-1-6072136" target="_blank">http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/community/community-news/inspectors-kicked-out-of-islamic-faith-school-after-pupils-quizzed-on-homosexuality-1-6072136</a></p>
<blockquote><p><span>The head of an Islamic faith school says he will challenge an Ofsted report written by inspectors who asked nine-year-old students to…</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/community/community-news/inspectors-kicked-out-of-islamic-faith-school-after-pupils-quizzed-on-homosexuality-1-6072136" target="_blank">http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/community/community-news/inspectors-kicked-out-of-islamic-faith-school-after-pupils-quizzed-on-homosexuality-1-6072136</a></p>
<blockquote><p><span>The head of an Islamic faith school says he will challenge an Ofsted report written by inspectors who asked nine-year-old students to define homosexuality.</span></p>
<p><strong>Enraged parents at Olive Tree Primary School, Bury Park Road, threatened to take their children out of the independent school on Thursday after the Ofsted representatives admitted to questioning a group of nine and ten-year-old pupils on their understanding of homosexuality and gay marriage.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The schools watchdog has said that the session was designed to gauge tolerance at the school and its pupils, though parents have said that the incident “unduly sexualised” their children.</strong></p>
<p>Islam forbids homosexuality and Olive Tree does not teach sexual education.</p>
<p><strong>After being confronted during a planned meeting with parents on Thursday, inspectors agreed to leave the school and say they have information to complete a report– despite completing just two of the four days they were to spend there.</strong></p>
<p>Headteacher Abdul Qadeer Baksh told Luton News that he would reject and challenge the report, given the short stay of inspectors.</p>
<p>He said: “I told them that they had more than a day and a half still to complete with plenty left to see at the school but they told me they had enough.</p>
<p>“The report will not be accurate, I asked them to come back another time but they will not.</p>
<p>“It will be half-baked and I will challenge it. I will not accept it.”</p>
<p>Mr Baksh revealed that more than 20 parents called him on Wednesday evening, while many more called during the meeting with inspectors on Thursday.</p>
<p><strong>He said: “Children went home and told their parents about it, I didn’t know that this had happened until I started getting calls about it.</strong></p>
<p><strong>“Parents told the inspectors that it was discrimination and it encroached on their rights.</strong></p>
<p>“They did not advise me that they would ask these questions and the parents were really outraged by this.”</p>
<p>“These are only primary school children and as it is a faith school it is not compulsory for us to teach sexual education.</p>
<p>“From my perspective as head, this happened during SATs exam week and it was in best interests that the children sat those exams without distractions.”</p>
<p>Farasat Latif, parent and chair of the school’s trust, said that the questions asked by inspectors “unduly sexualised” pupils.</p>
<p>He added: “We took statements from children and most of them said that they were asked to explain what the word gay means, also what they think of gay people.</p>
<p>“Two girls said they felt uncomfortable and were pressurised to answer the question.</p>
<p>“Another boy said he knew what it meant but did not want to talk about it, most said that it was quite persistent and they felt interrogated.</p>
<p>“Thankfully my girl was not in the group selected but parents have said that their children came home and asked them what being gay meant.</p>
<p><strong>“These are children, we do not expose them to sexual things or anything of a violent nature.”</strong></p>
<p>Mr Latif has collated the children’s accounts of the incident and will seek legal advice.</p>
<p>He said: “The whole school was up in arms.</p>
<p>“What gives them the right to come into the school and ride roughshod over a curriculum which does not teach sexual education?</p>
<p>“We wanted an apology for asking the questions but they would not give us one.</p>
<p>“Tolerance can be gauged by asking about gender, disability, races, any number of different things.”</p>
<p>An Ofsted spokeswoman told Luton News that “sufficient evidence was gathered to complete the inspection.”</p>
<p>She added: “The Independent School Standards, published by the Department for Education, set out that schools have a duty to teach pupils tolerance of different groups within society.</p>
<p>“As part of any school inspection, inspectors will ask pupils about the effectiveness of the school’s actions to prevent and tackle discriminatory and derogatory language – this includes homophobic and racist language.”</p>
</blockquote> The questions are meaningles…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-12-15:3766518:Comment:1164052012-12-15T11:59:54.083Zpaul collingshttp://4freedoms.com/profile/paulcollings
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<p>The questions are meaningless. Only straight forward questions will ever be good enough if your doing a survey, because people are either accepting of an issue, or they're not.</p>
<p>Most people (those of us that live in the real world outside london) don't care if someones gay or lesbian. We don't believe gays and lesbians are destroying the world. Quite frankly there isn't enough gays and lesbians to make any impact on most of our lives.</p>
<p>If i sit in a pub with people the…</p>
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<p>The questions are meaningless. Only straight forward questions will ever be good enough if your doing a survey, because people are either accepting of an issue, or they're not.</p>
<p>Most people (those of us that live in the real world outside london) don't care if someones gay or lesbian. We don't believe gays and lesbians are destroying the world. Quite frankly there isn't enough gays and lesbians to make any impact on most of our lives.</p>
<p>If i sit in a pub with people the only topic, apart for money, that gets people mad is the ammount of immigrants in britian. And its not all immigrants that people moan about, dispite the large number of Poles that have come to britian most people will shrugg their shoulders and say at least they work. The reason is they mainly behave like us. Its the islamic immigration that people are fed up with,, and no one believes that theres only 3 million muslims in britian.</p>
<p>Anyway the point is, talk about gays and lesbians is so far down the conversation ladder, if it wasn't for all the politicians going on about gay marraige then i'm sure for most of us we'd just carry on getting along with each other regardless of our sexual preferences.</p>
<p>Maybe if people looked at the evidence right before their eyes. Do gays feel safe in muslim areas. Are people openly gay in muslim areas.</p>
<p>Where i live people are what they are. If you go in the pub you could end up talking to anyone, a west indian, an indian, a scot an irishman, a welshman, polish an african, a gay a lesbian but never a muslim. Muslims are not part of our community, why? Its not because we told them to stay away. </p>
<p> The statment ("I am proud of how Britain treats gay people") What does that mean? Things have a long way to go, its not perfect by any means, but were on the right track. Hopefully we'll come to a point where everyone is just treated the same. </p>
<p>Hows it going with the gay community in Iran or saudi arabia, or pakistan, or countless other islamic countries. Maybe if a survey was done over there we'd get a better idea of peoples attitudes.</p>
<p>The last time i was in London i never saw any Gay men swinging from cranes. Maybe thats because we don't allow homophobic attitudes in Britian. Although that doesn't seem to apply in Islamic dominated areas, where sharia compliant signs get put up proclaiming gay free zones.</p>
<p>We don't have honest discussions in Britian any more, and our surveys are just as dishonest. Its all properganda.</p>
<p> </p> Muslims and their neo-fascist…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-12-15:3766518:Comment:1164032012-12-15T09:42:38.057ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Muslims and their neo-fascist leftist allies often reject surveys, saying that 1,000 or so respondents cannot be taken as representative of 3,000,000 people. Pointing out to them, that rejecting survey methodology means that all surveys have to be rejected, and we have nothing else to rely on but our personal impressions + gossip, seems to cut no ice.</p>
<p>The above two surveys of muslims and christians used sample sizes of 500 (Gallup) and 1,136 (Ipsos/Mori). These sample sizes are…</p>
<p>Muslims and their neo-fascist leftist allies often reject surveys, saying that 1,000 or so respondents cannot be taken as representative of 3,000,000 people. Pointing out to them, that rejecting survey methodology means that all surveys have to be rejected, and we have nothing else to rely on but our personal impressions + gossip, seems to cut no ice.</p>
<p>The above two surveys of muslims and christians used sample sizes of 500 (Gallup) and 1,136 (Ipsos/Mori). These sample sizes are often considered useless by the muslims and leftists who reject survey results which show islam as intolerant.</p>
<p>Several left-wing sites, and even a Tory site, have trumpeted a Demos survey, showing that muslims in Britain were more approving of gay rights than other religious groups. The survey summary table can be found in the Liberal Conspiracy link below.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/edl-watch.262722/page-157#post-10448809" target="_blank">http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/edl-watch.262722/page-157#pos...</a></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/27/uk-muslims-prouder-of-gay-rights-than-christians/" target="_blank">http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/27/uk-muslims-prouder-of-gay-r...</a></strong></p>
<p><a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind-cowie-of-demos-british-muslims-are-being-misrepresented-by-a-leadership-that-is-more-extrem.html" target="_blank">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind...</a></p>
<p>This survey was done in the summer of 2011, two years after the Gallup survey (supposedly) showing zero tolerance amongst British muslims for homosexuality. So, in the light of that survey, one would expect that a survey that clearly set out to show that multi-culturalims works (it was funded by the racist, anti-white group Runymede Trust), would do a much larger survey, or do one with better-designed, unambiguous questions, drawing from a wider cross-section of society (for example, those muslms who speak English as well as those who do not).</p>
<p>But the Conservative/Demos/Runnymede survey does none of these things. The statment ("I am proud of how Britain treats gay people") whose answers the left trumpet so loudly, is so ambiguous as to be useless (a point made by commenters on both the left-wing and Tory sites). See <a href="http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/27/uk-muslims-prouder-of-gay-rights-than-christians/#comment-282124" target="_blank">http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/27/uk-muslims-prouder-of-gay-r...</a><a name="comment-282124" href="http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/27/uk-muslims-prouder-of-gay-rights-than-christians/#comment-282124" id="comment-282124"><br/></a></p>
<p>Besides the uselessness of such an ambiguous question, one has to wonder about the survey size, and about the cross-section who were surveyed. Only 47 muslims were surveyed! <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind-cowie-of-demos-british-muslims-are-being-misrepresented-by-a-leadership-that-is-more-extrem.html#comment-6a00d83451b31c69e20154334e3c03970c" target="_blank">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind...</a></p>
<p>When it was put to the Tory behind the report (on his own site announcing the "survey's" results), that the survey confined itself to English-speaking muslims, he does not deny it: <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind-cowie-of-demos-british-muslims-are-being-misrepresented-by-a-leadership-that-is-more-extrem.html#comment-6a00d83451b31c69e201538f778f60970b" target="_blank">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thinktankcentral/2011/06/max-wind...</a> Considering the number of points he responds to, his failure to respond to that charge makes it clear it is correct.</p>
<p>What this survey shows, is that the Tories and pro-multiculturalism organisations like Runnymede are quite happy to knowingly conceal muslim homophobia.</p>
<p>Furthermore the Left see no problem with championing polls that re-affirm their fantasies, even when such surveys are drawn from so few people, are from an unrepresentative cross-section of muslims, and when the question is so ambiguous as to be useless. If normal people can see immediately the uselessness of such an ambiguous question, one has to assume that organisations like Runnymede, Demos and YouGov deliberately wanted to use such an ambiguous question.</p> The 2009 Gallup report showin…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-05-28:3766518:Comment:1031272012-05-28T23:42:53.478ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p><span>The 2009 Gallup report showing zero tolerance amongst British muslims was conducted by two muslim men, for a part of the Gallup organisation headed up by a muslim woman. This is significant, because the liberal-left apologists for islam will say "oooh, but the survey must have been done by an islamophobe". In fact, that's more or less the exact attitude of the gay media in Britain (incredible, I know - like lambs to the slaughter).…</span></p>
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<p><span>The 2009 Gallup report showing zero tolerance amongst British muslims was conducted by two muslim men, for a part of the Gallup organisation headed up by a muslim woman. This is significant, because the liberal-left apologists for islam will say "oooh, but the survey must have been done by an islamophobe". In fact, that's more or less the exact attitude of the gay media in Britain (incredible, I know - like lambs to the slaughter).</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/07/72235.html">http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/07/72235.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2009/05/200957175937592700.html">http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2009/05/200957175937592700.html</a></p>
<p>The British reports of this study did not mention that the team that produced it were muslims. They conveniently left that piece of information out.</p>
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