The Islamic Destruction of Libraries - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T08:34:54Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/destruction-of-libraries-by-islam?groupUrl=heritage&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A167076&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe above video pins the blam…tag:4freedoms.com,2022-02-13:3766518:Comment:2749402022-02-13T16:07:34.584ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>The above video pins the blame on Julius Caesar in 48BC - 660 years before Amr Ibn al Aas was there! It's hard to make sense of it all.</p>
<p>The above video pins the blame on Julius Caesar in 48BC - 660 years before Amr Ibn al Aas was there! It's hard to make sense of it all.</p> tag:4freedoms.com,2022-02-13:3766518:Comment:2751462022-02-13T16:00:58.720ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gYpU1e3m9G0?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> Caliph Omar burns the library…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-05-23:3766518:Comment:1670762015-05-23T19:52:37.833ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p><strong>Caliph Omar burns the library at Alexandria</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Caliph Omar burns the library at Alexandria</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://4freedoms.com/photo/caliph-omar-burns-the-library-at-alexandria?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A166881" target="_blank">http://4freedoms.com/photo/caliph-omar-burns-the-library-at-alexandria?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A166881</a></p> Comment by Kinana on March 14…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-04-10:3766518:Comment:990702012-04-10T13:01:12.048ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment by <a class="fn url" href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/Kinana">Kinana</a> on March 14, 2011 at 23:56</strong></span></p>
<div class="description xj_comment_editor xg_user_generated" id="desc_3766518Comment43016"><p>Albert</p>
<p>greats minds read the same blogs! i was thinking of publishing the article in full but then got distracted by a TV prog.</p>
<p id="aeaoofnhgocdbnbeljkmbjdmhbcokfdb-mousedown">the link for the full…</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment by <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/Kinana" class="fn url">Kinana</a> on March 14, 2011 at 23:56</strong></span></p>
<div class="description xj_comment_editor xg_user_generated" id="desc_3766518Comment43016"><p>Albert</p>
<p>greats minds read the same blogs! i was thinking of publishing the article in full but then got distracted by a TV prog.</p>
<p id="aeaoofnhgocdbnbeljkmbjdmhbcokfdb-mousedown">the link for the full article is here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/did-omar-order-the-burning-of-alexandria-library/">http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/did-omar-order-the-burni...</a></p>
<p><b>Did Omar order the burning of Alexandria Library?</b></p>
<p><b>Firman Illahi and Ibn Kammuna</b></p>
<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>In this article, we investigate the claim that Omar, the second Muslim Khalif who ruled the Islamic state after Abu Bakr, did in fact order the destruction/burning of the Alexandria library when the Muslims invaded and took over Egypt.</p>
<p id="">There are researchers of history who try to clear Omar’s name from this incident. There are others who claim that Omar did indeed perpetrate this atrocity. Who is correct? Can we arrive at an answer? This is the goal of this paper.</p>
</div> Comment by Albert on March 14…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-04-10:3766518:Comment:989762012-04-10T12:59:38.639ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment by <a class="fn url" href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/Albert580">Albert</a> on March 14, 2011 at 22:36</strong></span></p>
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<p>Let us try to get to the bottom of this. We think that Isya Joseph did a thorough investigation of Bar Hebraeus and his role…</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment by <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/Albert580" class="fn url">Albert</a> on March 14, 2011 at 22:36</strong></span></p>
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<p>Let us try to get to the bottom of this. We think that Isya Joseph did a thorough investigation of Bar Hebraeus and his role in the narrations about the Alexandria Library destruction by Amr Ibn Al-As on the command of Omar. His research was published in 1911 in The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literature (Volume 27). Here is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=9AY2AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA335&lpg=PA335&dq=hidewi+library&source=bl&ots=y-WcS-IWuQ&sig=iyDxQ26Yi8g7ueRAv9temD-kK0I&hl=en&ei=siqTS-tBgtCyA8jzpfwD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=hidewi%20library&f=" target="_blank">a link</a> to his research.</p>
<p>The reader is advised to read pages 335-8. According to Isya Joseph, Bar Hebraeus says that Yahya, a Coptic philosopher, petitioned Amr Ibn Al-As to restore the royal library (Alexandria Library). Amr referred the matter to Omar. Omar ordered him to destroy the library on grounds <em>that if what is in the library agrees with the contents of the Qur’an, then it is redundant. And, if the contents of the library do not agree with the Qur’an, then such contents are heretic</em>.</p>
<p>In either case, the destruction of the library was necessary as Omar viewed it. Those of us who studied the personality of Khalif Omar “Al-Farooq” are not surprised at all by the story above. It fits Omar’s personality to expect such a reaction from him.</p>
<p>In any case, let us go back to Isya Joseph’s research. According to him, Bar Hebraeus’ writings date back to 1663. He is considered an authoritative source. However, modern scholars, Bernard Lewis being one of them, discredited his writings as a Christian effort to scandalize Islam and Muslims.</p>
<p>The assumption behind this is that no Muslim mentioned about Omar’s destruction of the Alexandria Library before Hebraeus. This latter assumption is actually mistaken. There are at least two independent sources that validate Hebraeus’s story. First, Abd-Al-Latif of Baghdad visited Egypt in the latter part of the sixth century AH (Islamic Calendar). He mentions that a library, which was in Alexandria, was burned by Umru ibn al-As in compliance to Omar’s orders. Second, Jamal Ad-din Al-Kufti, who was born in Kuft in upper Egypt in 565 AH, and died in 646, informs us that the library was burned by Umru Ibn Al-As (p. 335 in above link).</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p id="">As big a name as Bernard Lewis is, he got it wrong this time. There is strong evidence to the contrary. It seems more likely than not that, in fact Omar – the second Khalif of Islam – bears the final responsibility of the destruction of Alexandria library, when Muslims invaded and took over Egypt. </p>
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<div class="description xj_comment_editor xg_user_generated" id="desc_3766518Comment71939"><p id="aeaoofnhgocdbnbeljkmbjdmhbcokfdb-mousedown">Never mind the closure of libraries in Britain. They contain very little that is truthful and critical of islam. For example, when I bought my copy of Segal's book <span>Islam's Black Slaves</span> (2002) last year, I bought it 2nd hand in hardback from Amazon. Imagine my astonishment when I discovered it was a book that had been "removed from circulation" from a London library. Meanwhile, multiple hardback copies of The Reliance of the Traveller are to be found in Tower Hamlets libraries: <a href="http://www.londonlibraries.gov.uk/ideastore-towerhamlets/02_Catalogue/02_005_TitleInformation.aspx?searchTerm=&searchTerm2=reliance+of+the+traveller&searchTerm3=&searchTerm4=&searchType=98&Page=1&media=&branch=&authority=&language=&junior=&rcn=0915957728&fr=tl" target="_blank">http://www.londonlibraries.gov.uk/ideastore-towerhamlets/02_Catalog...</a></p>
<p>Clearly the dhimmi library staff are eagerly purchasing 1300 pp medieval books of sharia law, whilst removing much shorter and more informative books that would shed a whole new light on the public's understanding of islam. </p>
<p>An interesting pattern can be found in university libraries. During the "revolution" in Egypt earlier this year I decided to visit a world-renowned university library, and look at the books on the Muslim Brotherhood. I found about 8 books in the cataglogue. Imagine my astonishment that not only were none of the books checked-out, but must of them had barely been outside the library in the past decade.</p>
<p>The situation in our libraries and universities is woeful. Let us be thankful for Amazon, and the explosion in the last decade of authoritative books against islam. Buy these books. I've been informed that the sales of such books are exceedingly small. We all owe it to the future to make sure we have a personal library of at least 20 of these books. Here's 10 important (non-muslim) books, off the top of my head. Most people I've met in the counter-jihad movement have not read these books.</p>
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<p>Bawer, While Europe Slept</p>
<p>Fregosi, Jihad in the West</p>
<p>Khan, Islamic Jihad</p>
<p>Ye'or, Eurabia</p>
<p>Segal, Islam's Black Slaves</p>
<p>Meir-Levi, History Upside Down - the Roots of Palestinian Fascism and the Myth of Israeli Agression</p>
<p>Spencer (ed),The Myth of Islamic Tolerance - How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims</p>
<p>Bostom (ed), The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims</p>
<p>Azumah, The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa</p>
<p>Milton, White Gold</p>
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<p>The books edited by Spencer and Bostom are an incredible collection of documents. I doubt if any of these books are to be found in most public libraries. Many are not even to be found in university libraries (you can see that for yourself by searching the University of London Senate House library catalogue:<a href="http://catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/search~S1/" target="_blank">http://catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/search~S1/</a> ) It's depressing to think that people like Fregosi went to the trouble of writing such books, yet they are not stocked in libraries, despite them being incredibly thorough and published at great personal risk (Fregosi and his publisher went ahead with publication, despite death threats from The Religion of Peace).</p>
<p id="">Perhaps it is an idea for 4F to have a list of recommended books, linked from the front page. It easily gives visitors an awareness that there are intellectuals who are publicly committed to resisting the jihad, even if the media give their works next to no coverage.</p>
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