EDL News: Sikh EDL Uncle Tom wasn't a hit-and-run “victim” - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T10:29:41Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/edl-news-sikh-edl-uncle-tom-wasn-t-a-hit-and-run-victim?groupUrl=uk&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A147683&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat's OK Arthur.
The post wa…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-23:3766518:Comment:1479282014-05-23T06:48:46.535ZPaul Austin Murphyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PaulAustinMurphy
<p>That's OK Arthur.</p>
<p>The post wasn't particularly aimed at you. I was just clarifying what's in the piece and why I wrote what I wrote.</p>
<p>I don't know if Jag Singh has read it since I made the changes. Despite that, even the original version (which Jag responded to) didn't say that Leftists or Muslims attacked EDL members. There was no way I could have known if they were Leftist attackers because I relied exclusively on the newspaper articles and I have no EDL contacts in the…</p>
<p>That's OK Arthur.</p>
<p>The post wasn't particularly aimed at you. I was just clarifying what's in the piece and why I wrote what I wrote.</p>
<p>I don't know if Jag Singh has read it since I made the changes. Despite that, even the original version (which Jag responded to) didn't say that Leftists or Muslims attacked EDL members. There was no way I could have known if they were Leftist attackers because I relied exclusively on the newspaper articles and I have no EDL contacts in the Midlands.</p> Hi Paul, I didn't post to att…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-22:3766518:Comment:1476832014-05-22T22:30:51.655ZArthurhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Arthur717
<p>Hi Paul, I didn't post to attack you, I just passed on the message mate.</p>
<p>Arthur.</p>
<p>Hi Paul, I didn't post to attack you, I just passed on the message mate.</p>
<p>Arthur.</p> Arthur,
It says all that in t…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-22:3766518:Comment:1479252014-05-22T14:31:47.535ZPaul Austin Murphyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PaulAustinMurphy
<p>Arthur,</p>
<p>It says all that in the piece:</p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">"This need to ask the opinion of a self-styled expert on the "far right" and the EDL is even more bizarre considering the fact that this hit-and-run incident was not political anyway. According to certain people directly involved in the attack, it had nothing to do with politics. Yes, the people at the pub were…</span></span></span></p>
<p>Arthur,</p>
<p>It says all that in the piece:</p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">"This need to ask the opinion of a self-styled expert on the "far right" and the EDL is even more bizarre considering the fact that this hit-and-run incident was not political anyway. According to certain people directly involved in the attack, it had nothing to do with politics. Yes, the people at the pub were EDL members; though it wasn't an EDL event. The <em>Birmingham</em> <em>Mail</em>, ITV News and other news outlets don't seem to realise this fact."</span></span></span></p>
<p>I contacted Jag Singh personally and changed the article. The article says that the attack was not political. Despite that, Jag may think it should be removed entirely. But I told him that the piece is not about Leftists or Muslims attacking the EDL: it's about the Birmingham Mail, etc. feeling the need to ask known Leftists about the EDL and then quoting them in detail.</p>
<p>All the rest of the info is from the Birmingham Mail, ITV News, etc. So I didn't add anything to what was already known by people who had read these newspapers.</p>
<p>The other thing is that Gary Hastings, or EDL News/Extra, clearly thought that it was a political attack and his comments show that. Had he known it wasn't political, he wouldn't have said anything and the Birmingham Mail wouldn't have ran the story in the way that it did. In other words, the Birmingham Mail falsely assumed it was political too.</p>
<p>Besides which, I'm not EDL. I defend the EDL but I don't really support it. That is, I don't go to any demos or get involved in any EDL activities.</p>
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<p></p> https://www.facebook.com/EDLS…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-22:3766518:Comment:1478282014-05-22T13:23:24.411ZArthurhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Arthur717
<p><a class="bbc_link" href="https://www.facebook.com/EDLSikhs" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/EDLSikhs</a><br></br><br></br><span>As some of you will be aware, one of our members Jag Singh was involved in a accident two weeks ago and has some bad injuries. We have kept it off here as it was a personel non edl related incident and the police are still investigating the incident.However due to third parties with a vested interest trying to stir trouble, Jag from his hospital bed as asked us to…</span></p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/EDLSikhs" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/EDLSikhs</a><br/><br/><span>As some of you will be aware, one of our members Jag Singh was involved in a accident two weeks ago and has some bad injuries. We have kept it off here as it was a personel non edl related incident and the police are still investigating the incident.However due to third parties with a vested interest trying to stir trouble, Jag from his hospital bed as asked us to put on here that the incident had nothing to do with the EDL. It was not carried out by Muslims or lefties but a local incident and that it is quite pathetic that certain people are using this unfortunate incident for their own sad agenda.jags says to not get involved in pettiness and let the haters continue and use our energy for the cause and to all spare a thought for Drummer Lee Rigby.GBNF.</span><br/><br/><br/><span>Arthur.</span></p> just to confirm the above ess…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-20:3766518:Comment:1476672014-05-20T18:22:24.950ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>just to confirm the above essay:</p>
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<p>just to confirm the above essay:</p>
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EDL News shouldn't reall…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-20:3766518:Comment:1479132014-05-20T08:19:48.480ZPaul Austin Murphyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PaulAustinMurphy
<p>Joe,</p>
<p>EDL News shouldn't really be called <em>EDL News</em> anymore. It should be called <em>UKIP News</em>. Virtually all its posts nowadays are on UKIP. They probably think they've helped destroy the EDL. And, of course, the focus before that was on the BNP.</p>
<p>I'm absolutely convinced that if UKIP and the EDL didn't exist, these people would focus all their attention on the Conservative Party. After all, in the 1970s, 80s and 90s, they classed the Tories as "fascist" and…</p>
<p>Joe,</p>
<p>EDL News shouldn't really be called <em>EDL News</em> anymore. It should be called <em>UKIP News</em>. Virtually all its posts nowadays are on UKIP. They probably think they've helped destroy the EDL. And, of course, the focus before that was on the BNP.</p>
<p>I'm absolutely convinced that if UKIP and the EDL didn't exist, these people would focus all their attention on the Conservative Party. After all, in the 1970s, 80s and 90s, they classed the Tories as "fascist" and "racist".</p>
<p>And if the Conservative Party didn't exist, they would be focusing on the Labour Party instead. In the 1970s/80s, these people focused most of their hatred on the 'reformists", "racists" and "reactionaries" of the Labour Party.</p>
<p>As usual, the Gulag hides in the background of all these Leftist groups.</p> Now what part of that, exactl…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-20:3766518:Comment:1476642014-05-20T06:32:43.823ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Now what part of that, exactly, disqualifies Jag Singh and other EDL from being genuine “victims”?</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">To Leftists (like Stalin or Hitler), there can be no victims among the enemy. To…</span></span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Now what part of that, exactly, disqualifies Jag Singh and other EDL from being genuine “victims”?</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">To Leftists (like Stalin or Hitler), there can be no victims among the enemy. To the Left, all of the enemy can be exterminated, and they are not victims (hence the genocides by the Left throughout the 20th century: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot).<br/><br/>This is exactly the same attitude found in muslims. Anjem Choudary said, on BBC TV, that only the muslims who died on 7/7 were innocent. Thus, to a muslim a suicide bomber can be a victim; those he kills cannot be a victim.<br/><br/>This is what happens with totalising ideologies. Our normal categories (aggressor/victim) are inverted. To totalitarians, only their values are values.</span></span></span></p>