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It takes a nation to protect the nation

I'm putting this in the US Room because its a line of thought that first came to me from the American 'Homeland' series - but its a topic that cuts across all categories.

In Homeland, three people are going mad.  Obviously, Brody is mad, with his schizophrenic behaviour and strange relationships with his wife and Carrie.  This is only natural after being held for years, tortured, and forced to kill his buddies by Abu Nazir.  Carrie seemed to be forced to go mad due to the machinations and web of deceit woven by Brody. However in the latest series, her behaviour is so inexcusably erratic that I'm not inclined to excuse it any more.  Brody's daughter went mad and tried to kill herself.  After many sessions of psychotherapy she is now semi-normal, but in the last episode was perhaps toying with the idea of becoming a Muslim like her father.

The point is that, behind all this madness is Islam.  Some people will say that Islam is mad, and that infects those that contact with it.  That's a bigger topic and not one I'm going to consider right now.  My thesis is a smaller one, that:

  • The strain of trying to maintain non-judgement and non-discrimination of all ideologies (of which Islam is one), in a secular democracy, is sufficient to drive people mad

It is extremely difficult to maintain the tolerance of the intolerant Islam, while it is going about its racist and supremacist business.  The contradictions are palpable.  And when you try constantly to maintain two contradictory ideas, you go mad.  Of course, as the Greeks said, "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad".

Once you think about this madness, you can recognise it in many places.  An obvious example is the Dutch PVV leader who became a Muslim.  Then there are Western secular women of the Left, who are staunch supporters of the ideology that says they are "deficient in intelligence" and worth half a man, and who support the Burqa while castigating Western husbands who don't help with the housework.  this is not just mere irrationality, surely? Its obvious that their fear of Islam, combined with their cowardice, has lead them to seek the only way out: deny Western misogyny but accept Islamic misogyny. Then, in an attempt to cover up their deceit, they scream even louder at anyone who dares question this contradiction.  Of course, there are shades here of the classic witch burning model of the middle ages, where the only way to escape was to denounce someone else as a witch.  Here, the Leftist woman tries to escape her cowardice by denouncing all on the right as witches.  But this surely is the beginnings of madness.

Some of our readers will also be familiar with the concept of the Chasm.  The Chasm is the gap that opens up between Islam and the Kafir, as the dumb Kafir realise that their beloved 'moderate' Islam is but a chimaera, which, even if it does exist, will be destroyed, with its supporters, by the fundamentalists. This has happened for 1400 years, and is happening around the world now.  

So, as the chasm opens up you have strict Muslims on the left cliff, and non-Muslims + Muslim appostates to the right of that.  On the right cliff you have all those secularists who have accepted that this attempt to neutralise the violence of Islam by working with 'moderate' Muslims, will not work, and have accepted that the communities are divided and against each other, and always will be.  But what do you have in the gap in the middle, between the two cliffs?

I believe that what you have in the middle are the mad people.  They are, for example, the tolerant manic-liberal Swedes and Norwegians, letting their women and children get mass raped by a single and clearly identifiable section of the community, while they stand by and politely watch, as the civilians and police did as Lee Rigby was having his face mutilated with carving knives.  Then they have long debates on TV about what they have done to make those Muslims so angry, and how can they appease them. They also boast to the world how they, the purest of the pure, are now going to accept even more Muslim refugees from the poor war-torn regions of the world.  But they don't boast about how well the are protecting their own people, I notice.

If you try stand in the plain between the two cliffs ,preaching moderation and reconciliation while the divide gets deeper and the contradictions plainer, you can only go mad.  As the chasm stretches wider and deeper, over the next 10 and 20 years, I believe we shall see a lot of madness.

Finally, for the Goebbels of the media morons, who will take this article to be an incitement to putative Breveiks to go on a killing spree, I would say, please look up and try understand the meaning of these three words:  Explanation of action (in past), Prediction of action (in future), and Prescription of action.

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Common sense would dictate that anyone heading of to a war zone should have their passports revoked. At the very least they should be made to apply for citizenship of that country and give up the citizenship they presently hold.

Anyone that does leave should be made to take their familey with them, then if they get killed or kidnapped theres no one left behind to start making demands on their behalf, demanding that  Govenments protect  its 'Citizens' rights and intrest's.

This has been going on for years, "british" Muslims fighting against British troops in Afghanistan is treasonous activity but no one has been charged. Treason only applies if you are right-wing, the followers of Islam are exempt from treason charges. Travel abroad, take part in terrorist activity and then return to the protection of our shores with no fear of prosecution.

Oh, the wonder of the thought- the whole family leaving to never return.

Homeland Unleashed!

Now that the constraints imposed by Damien Lewis/ Sgt Nick Brody are gone who is to hold back the writers now?

I was thrilled to see this exchanged in the first 15 minutes of Season 5.  My emphasis in bold.

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Setting the Scene:

Quinn, the special black ops character has just returned to CIA HQ in Langley Virginia after spending 2 years in Syria doing what he does best.  He walks into the office to give a briefing to a room full of high ranking CIA pen pushers.

The Senior Officer at the table asks: Is our strategy working? 

Quinn: What strategy?  Tell me what the strategy is and I will tell you if it is working.

[Silence ensues from all the intelligence personnel around the table.]

See, that right there is the problem.  Because they have a strategy.  They are gathering right now in al-Raqqha, Syria, by the 10s of thousands.  They are hidden in the civilian populations, cleaning their weapons and they know exactly why they are there.

Senior Officer:  Why is that?

Quinn: It is called the end times.  What do you think the beheadings are about?  The crucifixions in [name of city]; the revival of slavery;

Do you think they make this shit up?

It’s all in the book, their fucking book, the only book they read all the time.  They never stop.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to die for the caliphate and usher in a world without infidels.  That is their strategy and it’s been that way since the 7th century.

So do you really think that with a few Special Forces teams they will put a dent in that?

Senior Officer:  Well what would you do?

Quinn:  Are you offering me a promotion?

Senior Officer: I am offering you a hypothetical.

Quinn:  200,000 troops on the ground indefinitely to provide security and support with an equal number of doctors and elementary school teachers.

Senior Officer: That is not going to happen.

Quinn: Then I better get back there.

Senior Officer: What else would make a difference?

Quinn: Hit reset

Senior Officer: Meaning what?

Quinn: Meaning pound al-Raqqha into a parking lot.

[More Silence]

Quinn then gets up and walks out.

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The writers must love the Terminator.  That is one of the characteristics of those futuristic half robot half human android killing machines:  They never give up.  In the words of Arnie: I’ll be back.

Oh, what is to be done?  How will Carrie and Quinn save the Western World?!  Stay tuned…

Kinana - I've never watched Homeland, but the above clip sounds like it should be extracted and put on youtube to go viral !

Whilst on the subject of TV series, Breaking Bad is excellent ! - you can get the entire series on box set from amazon cheaply.

Whaaaaat? I thought Homeland was finished. I gotta get me some of that season 5!

This line was a bit pants tho:
Quinn: Then Id better get back there.

What use is one person? It panders to the myth of the Western superman beating the dumb Muslim droid.

I read today that the US is thinking of sending special forces to Syria. That kind of mission is not what special forces are designed for, as Quinn implies. Its all a sad joke.

Season 2 & 3 of "Da Vinci's Ghosts" are bridged by several episodes based around the Siege of Otranto (DVG plays fast & loose with history & geography).

After Otranto is captured, among horrific brutality from The Religion of Peace, the leader of the muslim army (son of the Ottoman Sultan) has all captives lined up and beheaded. As the scimtar is raised above each head, the victim is told: you're only escape is to say the Shahada and convert to islam, become One.

This cannot help but resonate with the beheadings we hear about in Islamic State and the threats to behead people even in the UK.

Despite all the PC claptrap of the media, individual writers and produces are seeing the relevance of bringing in the fundamentals of islam into popular entertainment.

Kinana said:

It’s all in the book, their fucking book, the only book they read all the time.  They never stop.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to die for the caliphate and usher in a world without infidels.  That is their strategy and it’s been that way since the 7th century.

So do you really think that with a few Special Forces teams they will put a dent in that?

"Quinn: What strategy?"

There is a strategy that will work and it is very simple. And it is the only solution. Dialogue is impossible. And Islam is never going to reform into something nice, reasonable and harmless.

Remove all military and diplomatic personal from every Muslim country. 

Break off every relationship with Muslim countries. Conduct trade only on our terms.

Deport to a Muslim country every Muslim living in a non-Muslim country, and deny all Muslims entry.

Islam is a deadly desease that has to be completely isolated, put into quarantine.

Do not sell them weapons or the means to produce advanced weapons. Fence them in and let them sort out their own problems and abuse each other not us.

Then the rest of the world can get on and deal with the normal problems of development and cooperation. Islam and its followers has disqualified itself, themselves from normal, decent, civilized relations with the rest of humanity.

First and foremost recall all military intervention into internal Muslim affairs. If we are to help anyone it has to be the non-Muslim victims of Islam not the Muslims themselves. Muslims can only thank themselves for their problems, they must not be allowed to blame us. Muslims are not our responsibility, nor is their abuse of each other.

The world's most powerful army cannot stop Islam, because Islam is everywhere and inside each Muslim.

Yeah Joe, 

when our leaders fail to tell us the truth or even lie to us, people will find it and speak it, though it may take a bit longer to bubble to the surface.  The writers must have had a great chin wag and laugh putting that scene together and writing that dialogue.

Despite all the PC claptrap of the media, individual writers and produces are seeing the relevance of bringing in the fundamentals of islam into popular entertainment.

Alan

I got the sense that Quinn was saying he can only do what he can do and the little he can do will help a few people; but he recognises that the overall situation will not change.  Like the child with his thumb in the hole stopping the dike from flooding the country.

What use is one person? It panders to the myth of the Western superman beating the dumb Muslim droid.

Antony

Kinana - I've never watched Homeland, but the above clip sounds like it should be extracted and put on youtube to go viral !

Whilst on the subject of TV series, Breaking Bad is excellent ! - you can get the entire series on box set from amazon cheaply.

Good idea re youtube.  that is not my skill but hopefully someone will do it.

re BB yes i have seen the whole thing.  it lives up to its reputation as the best series ever!  I think we disagree (on another thread) re the legalisation of drugs but we agree on what is a good TV series!

I stopped watching Homeland after the first couple of episodes because I found it extremely annoying and improbable and clearly politically biased. There is always the chance that this 5th. series is also messing with your mind. 

As soon as I feel manipulated I stop watching. The bugger is the series' that are so well made that you accept the annoyance. I love films and TV series, so it is a great relief when they are pure entertainment, without a political message and I can just relax and enjoy them. Leftist script-writers are every bit as determined to manipulate us politically as the leftist journalists are. Had I been an author my political views might also have come across, unless my conscience had dictated that I remain neutral and objective, and create art that reflects reality.

Having a black James Bond is clearly a political message, and so unnecessary. If you introduce a character it has to be believable within the context, the way that multi-racial Star Trek is. Though this is also a message it is what Star Trek has always been it is not a re- definition that destroys an initial credible concept.

Series 5 has started.  Carrie is still in full blown hyper sensitive mode and is working with the international human rights org currently defending an ‘innocent’ Muslim lad from the bad USA government, while Saul wants bring her back to the CIA.  There is another surprise which I will not spoil for you.

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