Is Turkey Using the Courts to Silence Critics? - Time Magazine - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T15:58:27Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/is-turkey-using-the-courts-to-silence-critics-time-magazine?groupUrl=turkey&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A94510&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A837&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAlan Lake said:
That must be…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-01-20:3766518:Comment:945142012-01-20T10:56:41.671Zshivahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/shiva
<p><cite>Alan Lake said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.ning.com/forum/topics/is-turkey-using-the-courts-to-silence-critics-time-magazine?groupUrl=Turkey&#3766518Comment94510"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That must be the same Harun Yahya that Richard Dawkins was railing against when I heard him speak against creationism and its supporters at the Conway Hall. He seems to have a lot of money and is well connected in Turkish society. He is a bad…</p>
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<p><cite>Alan Lake said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.ning.com/forum/topics/is-turkey-using-the-courts-to-silence-critics-time-magazine?groupUrl=Turkey&#3766518Comment94510"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That must be the same Harun Yahya that Richard Dawkins was railing against when I heard him speak against creationism and its supporters at the Conway Hall. He seems to have a lot of money and is well connected in Turkish society. He is a bad threat.</p>
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<p>Ahhh he has a lot of money, I wonder if there is a legal way to relieve him of some of it.</p>
<p>Yes this guy is vet serious threat, he will be far more dangerous once OIC get their way. It is about time that we start learning to use these laws that OIC to use against then. There could be a few Bob to be made in the bargain, Ho Ho.</p> That must be the same Harun Y…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-01-20:3766518:Comment:945102012-01-20T09:34:40.628ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>That must be the same Harun Yahya that Richard Dawkins was railing against when I heard him speak against creationism and its supporters at the Conway Hall. He seems to have a lot of money and is well connected in Turkish society. He is a bad threat.</p>
<p>That must be the same Harun Yahya that Richard Dawkins was railing against when I heard him speak against creationism and its supporters at the Conway Hall. He seems to have a lot of money and is well connected in Turkish society. He is a bad threat.</p> This is slightly of topic but…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-01-20:3766518:Comment:944132012-01-20T08:27:54.855Zshivahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/shiva
<p>This is slightly of topic but may be relevant</p>
<p>Yesterday I stumbled on some rather nasty while doing a bit of research about an image on the Lara Logan thread</p>
<p><a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/lara-logan-speaks?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A93696&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255" target="_self">Link to comment</a></p>
<p>I put upsome info about a Turkish Book by Harun Yahya,. <i>Yahudilik ve Masonluk (Judaism and Freemasonry,)</i> published 1986. The book…</p>
<p>This is slightly of topic but may be relevant</p>
<p>Yesterday I stumbled on some rather nasty while doing a bit of research about an image on the Lara Logan thread</p>
<p><a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/lara-logan-speaks?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A93696&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255" target="_self">Link to comment</a></p>
<p>I put upsome info about a Turkish Book by Harun Yahya,. <i>Yahudilik ve Masonluk (Judaism and Freemasonry,)</i> published 1986. The book contains images from the Algerian Civil war, but the book claims it is crimes committed by Israel, at the</p>
<p>bottom of the page we can see<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54803164?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="550" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54803164?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="550" class="align-center"/></a>Notice that the material is copyrighted</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=http://www.harunyahya.org/KITAP/YahudilikveMasonluk/yvm5.html&ei=VLsXT8vlEuePiAfb_KT_Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEIQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fhl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1206%26bih%3D768%26sout%3D0%26tbs%3Dsbi:AMhZZiuxMd2Ckw_17cqg0MqZjhxJ4wlWP6cVZ_1FRJEdt554Xv0RMSWudZ0NlJg1qv5GmrkgZoCrq9kvDqPvbczZGnLyGPYw9Rx2n8_1XVUK-EHlBXM55i6lgF0GR9l2OhASxD_1mvGwyjYV6QrU3uQk1m11x08ekv2s_1xhPkd2ryhPa2JfDcsOb908t7K8jsZm5Rg2zMX9mcgTY5f3V1l4_1mkfVfjheYaQC2qBJm4HiPx38ylq0wb5VZaPEg82eDTy8Ss9fmIjhAgUscF_1sNUugRHSD7J3BoTeUMkG7vcwNsway6GzCnsMDCvD0bz-ydSFLURuI_1fUe3ZTN3VeYln3l2jxKC6WF1LLeI6_106dhhJxM5pb3Tpso5GVCcWq7X-xSpao6gnFsL-D-CZCPtX1PFe5ysTw7LnLinN0JVtLSreSx-dzqosqcHZzcR1ybRfzIXodap1CjbSD6qVpFBaTZlmpI8-PbI-iCAohUA1h5dG5SkMrOV84rF4m5YwH1lz5Ig8OpWFs-vI6gX27Ntp4G9-OOyk7pPRUZ8zRIKTfpEfYNKRXiMnudU5iuRkmgWKh9oECKGZlx6f0-JHiNwnqcgixuAoWc_1Jr69Ep0jKth0f46vHKNw1YBDpdZDb3L660iPTXmTmL57jHg1MvC_1zePWGUqrqRWFdp9WKqFNziH5BUHEdsXVLOLXQ7sYShLlxJlzWkjAFevlv_107vjQvCxn6nbcPg9OIncUL_18-I8vGMz7dLKAlddEFDUQ18aMkLeXNISsuX-JRKE9VQMSm4WTxS-FQr_1W64RK9dIqG8TU6qQM1czsTB8M65k6YEV7jY9EzbHYp8hMigwH_1-psffJ7sX7YjmT5kVSvvswJubFeDhY-tjpfvURM1_1nmirhFuXeH4mG6eIzvrQ8AooEk9UG1O8b9BMJ0m8ZSI4d4KAywVO3K-9AAxIyQFheSR0Q72VM7-Jia4Ux-N3KKCWT4I1XhRxV4_18b0XTp8_1nPdecjEM_1Bs8pWHcNwyqhjwocDXFrDiNiR_1TTKidFvGiVyAlCjfBh8rTpWxI2SuFoc2a8VcXK-D8d929rto5hFEIFK3phhRp44T5EkNbyLJmn4PKTYf5DyRsdS8U9w-RDv0RSCO3FmyNFPxS6u8Cg2JxFnv4ZSS5MV_1PLshmwgFNMs59KCba3rERB0h6PshbeWeY2WWyjSe1qy6IHi5T1oFNzGUAf8cSoMQpxcxOcWt1OoBuF9N3swZWSEpPAlWznI3Pfa0wwrJpRXgF1dsjVZ5mE8r-LDFbNNNH0Q7VBsRVG5vdj4JrRvQ4INN4cOTwWjUXQMXQqRPjBOUiy3O_1aWFQ%26prmd%3Dimvns" target="_blank">Link to page</a></p>
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<p>On the page is the photo of the young girl, I was refering to in my comments, next to it is another photo of several children, this photo is from the El Halia massacre Algeria August 20, 1955 Which was part of the <b>Battle of Philippeville </b></p>
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<p>While the main assault was going on, there were also side actions in the countryside around Constantine. One was an attack on El-Halia, a sulphur-mining community where 130 Europeans had lived with about 2,000 Algerian Muslims in peace. The Muslims were encouraged to rise up against the Europeans after the FLN told them there would be no risk, because Egyptian and American troops were landing that day to expel the French from Algeria.. Led by the FLN, babies were chopped into pieces and smashed against walls, while women were raped, disemboweled and decapitated.[8] The men were off working in the mines when the fellagha attacked. Their weapons were locked up because the person in charge of the key had gone to the beach</p>
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<p>So what we have here is a clear copyright violation speech</p>
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<p>Now let us have a look at the Author, <b>Adnan Oktar</b> (born 1956), also known as <b>Harun Yahya</b> and a little what Wikipedia has to say</p>
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<p>Since 2007 Oktar has successfully had the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government" title="Turkish government" class="mw-redirect">Turkish government</a> block public access to several websites. In April 2007, Oktar filed a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel" title="Libel" class="mw-redirect">libel</a> lawsuit against the owners of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek%C5%9Fi_S%C3%B6zl%C3%BCk" title="Ekşi Sözlük">Ekşi Sözlük</a>, a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_community" title="Virtual community">virtual community</a> similar to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything2" title="Everything2">everything2</a>. The court reviewed the complaint and ordered the service provider to close the site to public access. The site was temporarily suspended so <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://sozluk.sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=adnan+oktar">the entry on Oktar</a> could be expunged and locked. Then access to <i>Süper Poligon</i>, a news website, was also restricted following Oktar's complaint. In August 2007, Oktar got a Turkish court to block <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPress.com" title="WordPress.com">WordPress.com</a> in all of Turkey. His lawyers argued that blogs on WordPress.com contained libelous material on Oktar and his colleague, which WordPress.com staff was unwilling to remove.</p>
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<p>In addition, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edip_Yuksel" title="Edip Yuksel">Edip Yuksel</a>, a Turkish writer who knew Oktar in the 1980s and is now critical of him, had his website banned in Turkey from Oktar's complaints. In addition, Yuksel wrote a Turkish-language book about Oktar called <i>The Cult of the Antichrist</i>, but he has yet to find "a publisher willing to brave Mr. Oktar's lawyers."</p>
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<p>On September 19, 2008, a Turkish court banned Internet users in Turkey from viewing the official <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" title="Richard Dawkins">Richard Dawkins</a> Web site after Oktar claimed its contents were defamatory, blasphemous and insulting religion, arguing that his personality was violated by this site. The ban was lifted on 8 July 2011. Also in September 2008, a complaint by Oktar led to the banning of the internet site of the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BCrk_E%C4%9Fitim_Sen" title="Türk Eğitim Sen" class="mw-redirect">Union of Education and Scientific Workers</a> (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BCrk_E%C4%9Fitim_Sen" title="Türk Eğitim Sen" class="mw-redirect">Türk Eğitim Sen</a>). This was followed by a block of the country's third-biggest newspaper site, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatan" title="Vatan">Vatan</a></i>, in October.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#Other_legal_issues" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#Other_legal_issues</a></p>
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<p>Nice guy</p>
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<p>Thinking about it just now, with the ways things are going about the laws that OIC are trying to push throug we should start getting as much info about or enemies and attack them in the same way. <b>Adnan Oktar</b> may safe in Turkey, but English translations of Oktar's books appear with "Ta-Ha Publishers", London, UK; and "Al-Attique Publishers", Ontario, Canada and "Goodword Books"</p>
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<p>There we go Morrigan, here is some-thing for your JDL mates in Canada, you want any help on this one, Alan and Joe have my e-mail</p>
<p><b><br/></b></p> 'Turkey aspires to become an…tag:4freedoms.com,2011-11-26:3766518:Comment:899412011-11-26T12:21:29.641ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>'Turkey aspires to become an E.U. member, yet its penal code is in urgent need of reform.'</p>
<p>try reforming the Sharia! how can Erdogan keep both his muslim followers happy AND aspire to join the EU which, at the moment anyway, in many ways contradicts the Sharia will be a good juggling act to watch. you can take Islam out of Europe but cannot put Europe in into Islam.</p>
<p>'Turkey aspires to become an E.U. member, yet its penal code is in urgent need of reform.'</p>
<p>try reforming the Sharia! how can Erdogan keep both his muslim followers happy AND aspire to join the EU which, at the moment anyway, in many ways contradicts the Sharia will be a good juggling act to watch. you can take Islam out of Europe but cannot put Europe in into Islam.</p>