Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism? - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T14:12:40Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/islam-vs-islamism?groupUrl=theology&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A162321&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A7416&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis is from the Telegraph. …tag:4freedoms.com,2024-02-03:3766518:Comment:2807112024-02-03T06:30:45.625ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>This is from the Telegraph. Well at least it's being talked about in the MSM. If Islamism is the unruly child of Islam, it would be better to blame the Parent. When has Islamism not been around Islam? Just check out the activities and sayings etc. of the founder of Islam, Mohammed. </p>
<p>It is gratifying to see that the 1821 comments following this otherwise good essay do not make this distinction. So most people get it. On the other hand, after less than 24 hours the comments…</p>
<p>This is from the Telegraph. Well at least it's being talked about in the MSM. If Islamism is the unruly child of Islam, it would be better to blame the Parent. When has Islamism not been around Islam? Just check out the activities and sayings etc. of the founder of Islam, Mohammed. </p>
<p>It is gratifying to see that the 1821 comments following this otherwise good essay do not make this distinction. So most people get it. On the other hand, after less than 24 hours the comments section was closed!</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/12373203894?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><br/><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/12373203894?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Quite right. There is only on…tag:4freedoms.com,2021-09-07:3766518:Comment:2736522021-09-07T12:09:40.659ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p>Quite right. There is only one version of Islam- the extreme and violent one. AND every single Muslim is a follower of, loyal to and a believer in this doctrine. Any Muslim that denies this is a liar. There is for a Muslim only one law-SHARIA, and the war will not end until the entire planet has been forced to submit to Islam and become Muslim. Mohammed is Islam. All of it of course including Allah is a fiction, a belief in something that has no existence outside of the human mind- nonsense…</p>
<p>Quite right. There is only one version of Islam- the extreme and violent one. AND every single Muslim is a follower of, loyal to and a believer in this doctrine. Any Muslim that denies this is a liar. There is for a Muslim only one law-SHARIA, and the war will not end until the entire planet has been forced to submit to Islam and become Muslim. Mohammed is Islam. All of it of course including Allah is a fiction, a belief in something that has no existence outside of the human mind- nonsense and pretend wisdom. This makes it even more dangerous and deadly, that all of its followers are homicidal idiots and nutcases.</p> Maajid Nawaz is not alone is…tag:4freedoms.com,2021-09-06:3766518:Comment:2734612021-09-06T15:54:42.994ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p><span>Maajid Nawaz is not alone is perpetuating the confusion</span></p>
<p><span>Cross post</span></p>
<p><span><a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/failed-heroes-of-the-left-tony-blair" rel="noopener" target="_blank">http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/failed-heroes...</a></span></p>
<p>Tony Blair is trying to protect his paymasters (Saudi Arabia) and dance around the false distinction between Islam and Islamism. But still it is good for someone…</p>
<p><span>Maajid Nawaz is not alone is perpetuating the confusion</span></p>
<p><span>Cross post</span></p>
<p><span><a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/failed-heroes-of-the-left-tony-blair" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/failed-heroes...</a></span></p>
<p>Tony Blair is trying to protect his paymasters (Saudi Arabia) and dance around the false distinction between Islam and Islamism. But still it is good for someone with his platform to remind everyone out there that Islamists want to either kill or enslave all non-Muslims.</p>
<p>And "<span>In my view, Islamism, both the ideology and the violence, is a first order security threat; and, unchecked, it will come to us, even if centred far from us, as 9/11 demonstrated."</span></p>
<p><a href="https://rusi.org/events/members-events/911-attacks-two-decades" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://rusi.org/events/members-events/911-attacks-two-decades</a></p>
<p>Text and visual at link.</p> That's exactly the same compa…tag:4freedoms.com,2017-05-11:3766518:Comment:1868312017-05-11T13:53:31.444ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>That's exactly the same comparison made by Peter McLoughlin in Easy Meat. He says that the one newspaper who took up the cause of Victorian girls being lured into prostitution was able to get demonstrations of up to 250,000 people in Hyde Park.</p>
<p>I think the biggest EDL demonstration was in the region of 3000 people.</p>
<p>It's no wonder that Breivik's original target was the journalists. They truly are Quislings of the 1st order.</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Philip Smeeton…</cite></p>
<p>That's exactly the same comparison made by Peter McLoughlin in Easy Meat. He says that the one newspaper who took up the cause of Victorian girls being lured into prostitution was able to get demonstrations of up to 250,000 people in Hyde Park.</p>
<p>I think the biggest EDL demonstration was in the region of 3000 people.</p>
<p>It's no wonder that Breivik's original target was the journalists. They truly are Quislings of the 1st order.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Philip Smeeton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/islam-vs-islamism?groupUrl=theology&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A186740&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A7416#3766518Comment186740"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>We are facing a dismal future Joe, Where are the angry mobs when you need them? A hundred years ago these Rotherham rapists would have been lynched. What has happened to us that we have become so timid and resigned.</p>
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</blockquote> We are facing a dismal future…tag:4freedoms.com,2017-05-09:3766518:Comment:1867402017-05-09T15:45:19.542ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p>We are facing a dismal future Joe, Where are the angry mobs when you need them? A hundred years ago these Rotherham rapists would have been lynched. What has happened to us that we have become so timid and resigned.</p>
<p>We are facing a dismal future Joe, Where are the angry mobs when you need them? A hundred years ago these Rotherham rapists would have been lynched. What has happened to us that we have become so timid and resigned.</p> That entire medium expose is…tag:4freedoms.com,2017-05-09:3766518:Comment:1867012017-05-09T13:31:08.087ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>That entire medium expose is ludicrously long & over-detailed.</p>
<p>All that's needed is that people understand that Abdullah Quilliam was pro-Caliphate and was opposed to putting down the Mahdi Army in Sudan in the 1880s (they were the ISIS of their day). Quilliam was prepared to use any manner of deceit to win over Brits to Islam.</p>
<p>It takes so little to expose Quilliam, but the media just ignore the evidence.…</p>
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<p>That entire medium expose is ludicrously long & over-detailed.</p>
<p>All that's needed is that people understand that Abdullah Quilliam was pro-Caliphate and was opposed to putting down the Mahdi Army in Sudan in the 1880s (they were the ISIS of their day). Quilliam was prepared to use any manner of deceit to win over Brits to Islam.</p>
<p>It takes so little to expose Quilliam, but the media just ignore the evidence.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807430?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807430?profile=original" width="601" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807494?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807494?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807519?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807519?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><br/> <br/> <cite>Kinana said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/islam-vs-islamism?groupUrl=theology&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A186700&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A7416#3766518Comment186700"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Maajid Nawaz is like Tariq Ramadan, a top notch salesman for Islam.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-the-counter-extremist-exposed-1a93c20faae8" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-t...</a></p>
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</blockquote> Maajid Nawaz is like Tariq Ra…tag:4freedoms.com,2017-05-09:3766518:Comment:1867002017-05-09T12:33:17.194ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>Maajid Nawaz is like Tariq Ramadan, a top notch salesman for Islam.</p>
<p><a href="https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-the-counter-extremist-exposed-1a93c20faae8" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-the-counter-extremist-exposed-1a93c20faae8</a></p>
<p>Maajid Nawaz is like Tariq Ramadan, a top notch salesman for Islam.</p>
<p><a href="https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-the-counter-extremist-exposed-1a93c20faae8" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@quilliamexposed/bombshell-report-maajid-nawaz-the-counter-extremist-exposed-1a93c20faae8</a></p> All mosques would have to be…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-03-31:3766518:Comment:1645162015-03-31T16:38:48.780ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p>All mosques would have to be closed of course because they teach islam, The essence of Islam is hate, discrimination and violence. Any organization; political, religious or otherwise; that teaches and or incites to hate, discrimination and violence should be illegal and shut down. The preachings of Islam are already illegal according to our existing laws, Islam should be forbidden and shut down.</p>
<p>All mosques would have to be closed of course because they teach islam, The essence of Islam is hate, discrimination and violence. Any organization; political, religious or otherwise; that teaches and or incites to hate, discrimination and violence should be illegal and shut down. The preachings of Islam are already illegal according to our existing laws, Islam should be forbidden and shut down.</p> Magnus Nielsen is a brave fel…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-03-31:3766518:Comment:1642562015-03-31T15:08:10.894ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p>Magnus Nielsen is a brave fellow. We need a Geert Wilders in the British Parliament.</p>
<p>I would like to see all mosques licenced- converted into pubs.</p>
<p>Magnus Nielsen is a brave fellow. We need a Geert Wilders in the British Parliament.</p>
<p>I would like to see all mosques licenced- converted into pubs.</p> Magnus is pushing the envelop…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-02-12:3766518:Comment:1623212015-02-12T14:09:25.639ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p><span>Magnus is pushing the envelope and that helps everyone. Clarity is needed on all sides of this issue. </span></p>
<p><span>Magnus is pushing the envelope and that helps everyone. Clarity is needed on all sides of this issue. </span></p>