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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Memorable Comments

This forum is for catching and recording significant, well written comments on forums and walls, which we do not want to get washed away in the waves of forum history.  

It is the corollary to the "Key Discussions" box on the Homepage and the 'Featured' discussions in each room, which maintain a permanent pointer to the most noteworthy forums.  Those methods keep track of good forums and point to their beginning.  This forum however, is to point inside a forum, to a particular comment we wish to preserve.

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Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on August 20, 2011 at 19:55
Permalink Reply by Kinana on August 21, 2011 at 12:43

Tony Curtis on 'EDL threats yet again prove they are nothing but violent thugs'

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/EDL/forum/topics/edl-threats-yet-ag...

Permalink Reply by Kinana on August 22, 2011 at 23:14

Alan Lake

The Quran and Friendship towards Muslims

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/theology/forum/topics/the-quran-and...

Permalink Reply by Kinana on September 5, 2011 at 22:29

Joe Bloggs

on 'Statement from Alan Lake regarding the Norwegian Gunman - Anders Breivik'


http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/EDL/forum/topics/statement-from-ala...

Permalink Reply by Kinana on November 18, 2011 at 16:45

Joe Bloggs

in Spirituality v. Rationality v. MythologySpirituality v. Rationality v. Mythology

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/theology/forum/topics/spirituality-...

Permalink Reply by Kinana on December 2, 2011 at 8:56
Permalink Reply by Kinana on January 1, 2012 at 23:29

Paul Collings on the coming Year; and natural and man-made disasters

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A92...

Permalink Reply by Kinana on January 2, 2012 at 0:39
Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on April 18, 2012 at 16:56

Joe Bloggs comment on the Breveik so called kangaroo court:
http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/anders-breivik-the-... 

Permalink Reply by Kinana on April 22, 2012 at 17:16
Permalink Reply by Kinana on May 13, 2012 at 15:03
Permalink Reply by Kinana on May 13, 2012 at 15:19

Alan Lake

on memes and 'the injunction to 'love one another'.'

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/muslim-pimping-groo...

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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