Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us". - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T02:34:54Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/muslim-police-organisation-edl-trying-to-kill-us?groupUrl=alinsky&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A104617&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A25697&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOther people's foolish misapp…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1047172012-06-15T18:53:03.560ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Other people's foolish misapprehension is much to be desired. </p>
<p>I don't understand what "enhanced security clearance" means. It could mean you now work for MI5. It could mean you've got a backstage pass to a Lady Gaga concert.</p>
<p>We're naught but humble pirates.</p>
<p>Other people's foolish misapprehension is much to be desired. </p>
<p>I don't understand what "enhanced security clearance" means. It could mean you now work for MI5. It could mean you've got a backstage pass to a Lady Gaga concert.</p>
<p>We're naught but humble pirates.</p> Well of >course< it pro…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1044302012-06-15T18:34:28.077ZThe-AEAhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/TheAEA
<p>Well of >course< it proves something. It proves that it >was< all a load of rubbish after all. But then... then a thought occurred to me, a few hours ago. If the dodgy wronguns of NAMP and the SWP and their attendant loonies from Islamic Forum Europe are all now terrified of me because they think I'm some mad lone-wolf terrorist-</p>
<p>a) more fool them</p>
<p>b) good.</p>
<p>PS shortly after this letter, I received my enhanced security clearance. What does that tell you?</p>
<p>Well of >course< it proves something. It proves that it >was< all a load of rubbish after all. But then... then a thought occurred to me, a few hours ago. If the dodgy wronguns of NAMP and the SWP and their attendant loonies from Islamic Forum Europe are all now terrified of me because they think I'm some mad lone-wolf terrorist-</p>
<p>a) more fool them</p>
<p>b) good.</p>
<p>PS shortly after this letter, I received my enhanced security clearance. What does that tell you?</p> That letter does not prove an…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1046172012-06-15T13:36:01.124ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>That letter does not prove anything. But then I'm not accusing you of anything. I thought that Barths' mentioning your name in this context was just an incidental dig at you.</p>
<p>I wish you good luck with AEA. Hopefully you will get somewhere. Although, frankly, I think that Tommy/EDL are managing to move the debate on at such a pace that your efforts are being left in the dust. Tommy managed to put ABM, MDI & MPAC in their place in that recent debate. I think he will soon be in…</p>
<p>That letter does not prove anything. But then I'm not accusing you of anything. I thought that Barths' mentioning your name in this context was just an incidental dig at you.</p>
<p>I wish you good luck with AEA. Hopefully you will get somewhere. Although, frankly, I think that Tommy/EDL are managing to move the debate on at such a pace that your efforts are being left in the dust. Tommy managed to put ABM, MDI & MPAC in their place in that recent debate. I think he will soon be in public debate with far bigger fish than those tiddlers.</p> And no, I don't have a Google…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1044272012-06-15T13:29:15.646ZThe-AEAhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/TheAEA
<p>And no, I don't have a Google Alert for my name. What would be the point? See attached letter, which I think will settle the nonsense.</p>
<p>And no, I don't have a Google Alert for my name. What would be the point? See attached letter, which I think will settle the nonsense.</p> Ah. I see. I didn't know tha…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1045212012-06-15T07:22:25.102ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Ah. I see. I didn't know that the "EDL extremist" arrested for having sparklers was you. I take it you are now coming out here as "Charlie Flowers"? I had no idea that these persons all coalesced round you. I just noticed the story en passant on that bald chap's site. My interest in the story was the NAMP getting no support from the other parts of the policing infrastructure, and The "Independent" larding up the story.</p>
<p>You must have a google alert setup for your name. I can't…</p>
<p>Ah. I see. I didn't know that the "EDL extremist" arrested for having sparklers was you. I take it you are now coming out here as "Charlie Flowers"? I had no idea that these persons all coalesced round you. I just noticed the story en passant on that bald chap's site. My interest in the story was the NAMP getting no support from the other parts of the policing infrastructure, and The "Independent" larding up the story.</p>
<p>You must have a google alert setup for your name. I can't imagine you are hanging on every topic discussed in 4F.</p> NAMP was been established Jul…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-15:3766518:Comment:1045162012-06-15T05:43:32.815Zshivahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/shiva
<p>NAMP was been established July 2007 and is a Police Officer and Staff based support network, they have some 12 affiliated forces and 4 in interim phase in England, Wales and Scotland, with a membership of over 2000.</p>
<p>NAMP objectives include:</p>
<p><strong>· Support Network.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Increase Trust /Confidence and improve Community Cohesion.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Recruitment/Retention and Progression.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Raising Islamic Awareness and dealing…</strong></p>
<p>NAMP was been established July 2007 and is a Police Officer and Staff based support network, they have some 12 affiliated forces and 4 in interim phase in England, Wales and Scotland, with a membership of over 2000.</p>
<p>NAMP objectives include:</p>
<p><strong>· Support Network.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Increase Trust /Confidence and improve Community Cohesion.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Recruitment/Retention and Progression.</strong></p>
<p><strong>· Raising Islamic Awareness and dealing with Equality issues such as Islamophobia</strong>.</p>
<p>So how are they doing</p>
<p><i> </i><em>The National Association of Muslim Police (NAMP) claimed that ministers were wrong to blame Islam for being the “driver” behind recent terrorist attacks.</em></p>
<p><em>Far-Right extremists were a more dangerous threat to national security, it said.</em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7039572/Muslim-police-say-Islam-not-to-blame-for-terror-attacks.html" target="_blank">Bent cops</a></strong></p>
<p>Seems like the NAMP where trying to make hay will the sun lasts.</p>
<p><em>The organization (NMAP) said Prevent should focus on confronting far-Right extremists such as the BNP</em>.</p>
<p>This arrest was a around the time of the Breviek thing.</p>
<p>It is apparently very clear that the purpose of NAMP and its 2000 odd members is not to uphold the law, but to advance islam</p>
<p></p> Joe, Thanks for the info re N…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-14:3766518:Comment:1045022012-06-14T22:10:12.050ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>Joe, Thanks for the info re NAMP. Never heard of them before. 'Muslim Police'? Is this like the Black Police Officers association, or whatever it is called? NAMP seems to be more than a friendly association of Officers who get together for a BBQ. The Police will lose authority the more its officers have specialist groups that appear to the public to be a cause of division in society rather than a united force to enforce the law of the land. But maybe I am just old fashion.</p>
<p>I…</p>
<p>Joe, Thanks for the info re NAMP. Never heard of them before. 'Muslim Police'? Is this like the Black Police Officers association, or whatever it is called? NAMP seems to be more than a friendly association of Officers who get together for a BBQ. The Police will lose authority the more its officers have specialist groups that appear to the public to be a cause of division in society rather than a united force to enforce the law of the land. But maybe I am just old fashion.</p>
<p>I also think of this verse from the Quran:</p>
<p><span>'Mohammed [is] the apostle of God: And those who are with him are fierce against the unbelievers, [but] compassionate towards one another.'</span> 48:29</p> Good grief. Where to start LO…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-14:3766518:Comment:1044042012-06-14T21:02:35.558ZThe-AEAhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/TheAEA
<p>Good grief. Where to start LOL. </p>
<p>I've never been in the EDL. I don't even LIKE the police, let alone work for them. I do my own thing, my own way. If that should entail making a chart on the massively dodgy organisation known as NAMP, so be it. We've got some on the Infidels, C18 et al, too. NAMP, when it was active and had funding, was run by its' chair, Zaheer Ahmad, as some kind of private police force within the Met. They even carried out their own investigations without the Met's…</p>
<p>Good grief. Where to start LOL. </p>
<p>I've never been in the EDL. I don't even LIKE the police, let alone work for them. I do my own thing, my own way. If that should entail making a chart on the massively dodgy organisation known as NAMP, so be it. We've got some on the Infidels, C18 et al, too. NAMP, when it was active and had funding, was run by its' chair, Zaheer Ahmad, as some kind of private police force within the Met. They even carried out their own investigations without the Met's knowledge. Muslims they contacted told me about this.</p>
<p>When I was arrested, one of the arresting officers said to me 'we know this is probably bollocks, Charlie, but we have to be seen to be doing it.' When Zaheer Ahmad was contacted by mutual aquaintances and asked what he was playing at, he admitted he had no actual solid evidence at all. Not long after, the Home Office pulled the plug on their funding. And yet... he persists. Is it because I help run a Muslim group and he doesn't like it?</p>
<p>I would sooner have root canal work than talk to Scotland Yard again, but it looks like I'm going to have to ring them tomorrow to get this canned.</p> And, right on cue, we have an…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-13:3766518:Comment:1039922012-06-13T14:05:48.037ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>And, right on cue, we have an MP standing up in Parliament to denounce the alleged terrorist actions of a serving police officer, back in the 1980s. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18423441" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18423441</a></p>
<p>And what is that serving police officer doing now? He's heading up the islamist shill organisation, the European Muslim Research Centre. …</p>
<p>And, right on cue, we have an MP standing up in Parliament to denounce the alleged terrorist actions of a serving police officer, back in the 1980s. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18423441" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18423441</a></p>
<p>And what is that serving police officer doing now? He's heading up the islamist shill organisation, the European Muslim Research Centre. <a href="http://centres.exeter.ac.uk/emrc/" target="_blank">http://centres.exeter.ac.uk/emrc/</a> The organisation responsible for what Andrew Gilligan termed the "most embarrassing academic report". Exeter University had to withdraw the report after a single journalist managed to tear holes in the hypocrisy and lies of the report.</p>
<p>I wonder what Dr. Bob would do with 10 years' inside? Presumably he'd convert to islam and join the prison gang with relish. Expect to see him out in 8 years time, fronting up whatever overtly fascist organisation the UAF has morphed into.</p> Ah, Antony... that would seem…tag:4freedoms.com,2012-06-13:3766518:Comment:1039892012-06-13T13:41:48.899ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Ah, Antony... that would seem to put you firmly in the camp of Charlie Flowers, who has allegedly said this is all a fiction of the namby-pamby NAMP. There may indeed be some merit in that opinion. But I think it is also possible that the agents of the state were working with some operative to attempt to inflame then entrap EDL supporters. Whatever, the truth of the matter, don't expect The "Indpendent" to have any concern with that elusive concept.</p>
<p>Ah, Antony... that would seem to put you firmly in the camp of Charlie Flowers, who has allegedly said this is all a fiction of the namby-pamby NAMP. There may indeed be some merit in that opinion. But I think it is also possible that the agents of the state were working with some operative to attempt to inflame then entrap EDL supporters. Whatever, the truth of the matter, don't expect The "Indpendent" to have any concern with that elusive concept.</p>