Obama and Clegg - Both Lied to Claim Islam is a Religion of Peace. - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T16:51:51Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/obama-and-clegg-both-lied-to-claim-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace?groupUrl=infiltration&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A162028&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNick Clegg to lose his seat a…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-02-05:3766518:Comment:1620282015-02-05T22:43:57.674ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<blockquote><h1>Nick Clegg to lose his seat at the next election, poll finds</h1>
<h2>Deputy Prime Minister trails Labour by 10 points in his Sheffield seat and could be out of office by May 8 according to constituency poll…</h2>
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<blockquote><h1>Nick Clegg to lose his seat at the next election, poll finds</h1>
<h2>Deputy Prime Minister trails Labour by 10 points in his Sheffield seat and could be out of office by May 8 according to constituency poll</h2>
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<p>Good fucking riddance</p> I wonder if it would be possi…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-19:3766518:Comment:1476592014-05-19T01:55:41.393ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>I wonder if it would be possible to get a hard line Ayatollah or suchlike to issue a Fatwa against Clegg? Misquoting the word of Allah is a serious offence. </p>
<p>[Watch the Leftists wet their panties because, in their Bizarro upside-down world, I am now responsible for encouraging violence against Clegg]</p>
<p>I wonder if it would be possible to get a hard line Ayatollah or suchlike to issue a Fatwa against Clegg? Misquoting the word of Allah is a serious offence. </p>
<p>[Watch the Leftists wet their panties because, in their Bizarro upside-down world, I am now responsible for encouraging violence against Clegg]</p> What a lying skunk.
One thing…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-19:3766518:Comment:1478072014-05-19T01:48:15.981ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>What a lying skunk.</p>
<p>One thing I found interesting before getting to the final substantive bit, the quote from the Quran, was how many words he used to say practically othing. If you were to try and precis the first part, it would be very hard, because its more like emotional meandering than political dialogue. I think we shall see more of this, more banal empty speeches, desperately trying to avoid saying anything of substance, because anything <em>of</em> substance, will cause…</p>
<p>What a lying skunk.</p>
<p>One thing I found interesting before getting to the final substantive bit, the quote from the Quran, was how many words he used to say practically othing. If you were to try and precis the first part, it would be very hard, because its more like emotional meandering than political dialogue. I think we shall see more of this, more banal empty speeches, desperately trying to avoid saying anything of substance, because anything <em>of</em> substance, will cause people to think the unthinkable - that a religion can actually be a totalitarian political system, and <em>can</em> thoroughly endorse, and even prescribe, violence.</p>
<p>Anyway, the last substantive bit, which had to be a lie because the truth defeats his narrative, was also rather comic. Since Clegg spent most of his time explaining that the most important thing was simply to 'be together' and that the noises (or words) emitted from people's mouths, apparently didn't matter, they're on the same level as farts and burbs, then the words (of terrorists and everyone) simply don't connote anything.</p>
<p>And even if words did matter, <em>"</em><span><em>terrorism has no religion because there is no religious conviction that can justify the kind of arbitrary, savage, random violence that we saw on the streets of Woolwich"</em>, so a priori, none of them could be taken as relevant to the killing of Lee Rigby.</span></p>
<p><span>Clegg sounds like a man trying in desperation to convince <em>himself</em>, never mind anyone else.</span></p> The URL to the LibDem website…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-05-18:3766518:Comment:1477212014-05-18T11:32:23.181ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The URL to the LibDem website page which contained Clegg's speech seems to be broken (funny that, innit?)<br></br><br></br>So, I found the speech again on their site, and I'm pasting it here for posterity.</p>
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<p>The URL to the LibDem website page which contained Clegg's speech seems to be broken (funny that, innit?)<br/><br/>So, I found the speech again on their site, and I'm pasting it here for posterity.</p>
<div class="headline"><h2>London communities celebrate strength and unity at event hosted by Nick Clegg</h2>
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<p>The speakers at the Hugh Cubitt Peabody Centre in Islington were the Deputy Prime Minister, Shadow Justice Secretary Sadiq Khan, Conservative whip Lord Tariq Ahmad, former Army captain Afzal Amin, imam Shaykh Shams ad-Duha Muhammad of Ebrahim College and the co-chairs of Faith Forum for London, Canon Guy Wilkinson and Leonie Lewis.<br/><br/>Also in attendance were Colonel Hugh Bodington, Chief of Staff of the Army Headquarters at London District, and Commander Mak Chishty of the Metropolitan Police, who has been the force’s community liaison for the events in Woolwich. <br/><br/>Representatives of London’s political leaders included Damian Johnson, Chair of the London Assembly, Andrew Boff, leader of the Assembly’s Conservative group, Jenny Jones, leader of the Green Party Group and Stephen Knight, deputy leader of the Liberal Democrat Group. The local MP Emily Thornberry also took part, along with Deputy Leader of the House of Commons, Tom Brake.<br/><br/>Transcript of the Deputy Prime Minister’s speech</p>
<blockquote>Can I thank you all very, very much for being here and can I thank, particularly, everybody at the Hugh Cubitt Centre, all the volunteers here, everyone from the Peabody operation. You’ve helped us to organise this at very, very short notice indeed. <br/> <br/>It was a suggestion made to me by friends of mine in the London Muslim community just yesterday, that we should get together at a time of obviously heightened anxiety, given the horrific events in Woolwich. And to be able to gather together like this, given how busy everybody is, is a real tribute to everybody at the centre, and indeed to all of you. <br/> <br/>We are represented here in all of the wonderful diversity that we know is modern London: different political parties, different faiths, different communities, representatives from the armed services, from the police. I really am very, very grateful to you all for being here. And I hope that – in fact I know that I speak on behalf of everybody here when I say that my heart goes out and my thoughts are with the family and the friends of Drummer Lee Rigby, who as so brutally and savagely killed in Woolwich.<br/> <br/>I think in many ways, the fact that we’ve come together is much more important than what anyone’s actually going to say at the event because the fact that we’re here together from so many different directions, from so many parts of the diversity that is London is a – sends out a message. <br/> <br/>It sends out a very, very simple message of hope over fear, of community over division and that is immensely important. I think that you’ve done all of that and that by coming together in that way, by sending out that clear signal, you really have provided a great service to all of the communities who are asking themselves searching questions in London and across the country today. <br/> <br/>Because let’s be clear. People who inflict such random, savage violence in the name of some entirely warped ideology or some entirely perverted concept of religion in the way that we have seen on our television screens – which has been made all the more unsettling I think, because the individuals concerned dressed, spoke, appeared to all intents and purposes like so many other young Londoners that we might come across every day of the week. <br/> <br/>Let’s be under no illusion. What they want, of course, is to sow that corrosive seed of fear and division. What they want is for governments and the authorities to overreact in their immediate reaction. What they want is for communities to turn inwards and away from each other. What they want, in short, is to spread fear. <br/> <br/>Fear is an extraordinarily powerful emotion and when fear takes root, all of us as individuals, we will avert our gaze from someone who we might be fearful of, who we weren’t before. We might cross the street away from an individual who we’re not so sure about. We might worry about our children and about our families in a way that we haven’t done before. <br/> <br/>It has a very, very corrosive effect on every part of our lives and we have a choice. We have a choice to either allow that powerful corrosive feeling of fear to seep into every second and minute and hour of our lives or we can make a choice that we’re not going to change our behaviour. We’re not going to disrupt normal life. We’re going to continue our life as before. We’re going to continue to reach out to each other. We’re going to continue to look people in the eye. We’re going to continue to be the diverse community that we are, and you have made that choice by coming to this event. <br/> <br/>London has made that choice by celebrating this kind of event and it has shown once again how unbeatable London is in the face of this attempt to sow fear, sow division and sow mutual suspicion in our community. So I want to pay genuine tribute, to each and every one of you for making that choice. It is a positive choice and is the most powerful dignified reply and rejection of what we saw and what we heard on Wednesday in Woolwich.<br/> <br/>Finally, before I ask the Deacon and others to speak for themselves, I want to pay special tribute to those amongst you who are leaders and spokespeople of our Muslim communities. The fact that all of you who’ve spoken out so very clearly and so very cogently and so very quickly to reject it utterly. As the Prime Minister quite rightly said, what we heard from these two individuals was a total unqualified betrayal of Islam, a religion of peace was being distorted, turned upside down and inside out, perverted in the cause of an abhorrent and violent set of intentions from those individuals. <br/> <br/>As I heard from someone in a discussion we just had earlier this morning, terrorism has no religion because there is no religious conviction that can justify the kind of arbitrary, savage, random violence that we saw on the streets of Woolwich. So thank you for speaking out as forcefully as you have done. Thank you for speaking out as clearly as you have done for a great salvation religion, for your faith, and for the communities in which you live and in which you lead. <br/> <br/>And in that spirit I would like to simply conclude by repeating a verse from the holy Quran, verse 32, chapter five. If anyone kills a human being, it shall be as though he killed all mankind, whereas if anyone saves a life it shall be as though he saved the whole of mankind.<br/><br/>Thank you very much.</blockquote>
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<p>I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the muslim POTUS looks after his own.</p>
<p><a href="http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/arabic-1-language-spoken-refugees-admitted-us-obama-reign.html/" target="_blank">http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/arabic-1-language-spoken-refugees-admitted-us-obama-reign.html/</a></p>
<p>I'll bet that the persecuted christians of the Middle East don't make up the largest part of the single largest language group to enter the U.S. during Hussain's reign. And of course…</p>
<p>I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the muslim POTUS looks after his own.</p>
<p><a href="http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/arabic-1-language-spoken-refugees-admitted-us-obama-reign.html/" target="_blank">http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/arabic-1-language-spoken-refugees-admitted-us-obama-reign.html/</a></p>
<p>I'll bet that the persecuted christians of the Middle East don't make up the largest part of the single largest language group to enter the U.S. during Hussain's reign. And of course - the "moderate muslim" who has been arrested for the attempt to set fire to a gay club containing 750 deluded Seattle gays was one of the members of that language group. </p>
<p><a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/gays/forum/topics/muslim-terrorist-attack-on-seattle-gay-club" target="_blank">http://4freedoms.com/group/gays/forum/topics/muslim-terrorist-attack-on-seattle-gay-club</a></p>
<p>Seems all you need to get into the US now is to have some gangster voted to be President, and no matter how incompatible your views are, you get a residency permit.</p> Yes, Clegg should go to Iran…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-02-10:3766518:Comment:1448352014-02-10T18:22:09.305ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Yes, Clegg should go to Iran and tell them himself.</p>
<p>Oh no, what have I done! I've implied that he should go there and get executed! Now the Leftards will be screaming for my blood because that would be a crime that I would be guilty of, not the Iranians or Islam, if you simply gloss the meaning.</p>
<p>Yes, Clegg should go to Iran and tell them himself.</p>
<p>Oh no, what have I done! I've implied that he should go there and get executed! Now the Leftards will be screaming for my blood because that would be a crime that I would be guilty of, not the Iranians or Islam, if you simply gloss the meaning.</p> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-02-10:3766518:Comment:1445952014-02-10T12:35:52.919ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/10/arab-iranian-poet--peace-activist-hashem-shaabani-executed-waging-war-on-god_n_4758900.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/10/arab-iranian-poet--peace-activist-hashem-shaabani-executed-waging-war-on-god_n_4758900.html</a></p>
<p>An Arab-Iranian poet has been executed in Iran f…</p>
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<p>An Arab-Iranian poet has been executed in Iran f<a href="http://www.iranhrdc.org/english/news/press-statements/1000000428-iri-executes-two-ahwazi-arab-men.html#.Uvi2YUJ_uVt" target="_hplink">or “waging war on God” and threatening national security human rights groups say.</a></p>
<p><strong>Hashem Shaabani was executed</strong> in an unidentified prison in late January, the Iran Human Rights Documentation Centre writes.</p>
<p>He had been sentenced to death in July 2012 by the Ahvaz Islamic Revolutionary Court for <em>muharibih</em> (“waging war on God”), <strong>sowing corruption on earth</strong>, propaganda against the Islamic Republic and acting against national security, it adds.</p>
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<p>Perhaps Clegg, the most senior Liberal, the most senior Democrat in Britain would like to point out to the Islamic Republic of Iran, that they have misunderstood koran 5:32 and 5:33.</p>
<p>Those verses can't possibly say that those who spread corruption on earth must be executed. You tell 'em, senior Liberal Democrat and koran scholar.</p> The right-wing George Bush be…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-01-30:3766518:Comment:1438932014-01-30T14:55:12.472ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The right-wing George Bush beat Obama, Clegg, Hasan to this deceit over the koran opposing killing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/06/fitzgerald-when-obama-channels-bush-or-quran-532-without-533/" target="_blank">http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/06/fitzgerald-when-obama-channels-bush-or-quran-532-without-533/</a><br></br><br></br>As Hugh Fitzgerald pointed out in that above piece in 2009.</p>
<blockquote><p><span>What reporter, after all, even nearly eight years after the 9/11/2001…</span></p>
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<p>The right-wing George Bush beat Obama, Clegg, Hasan to this deceit over the koran opposing killing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/06/fitzgerald-when-obama-channels-bush-or-quran-532-without-533/" target="_blank">http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/06/fitzgerald-when-obama-channels-bush-or-quran-532-without-533/</a><br/><br/>As Hugh Fitzgerald pointed out in that above piece in 2009.</p>
<blockquote><p><span>What reporter, after all, even nearly eight years after the 9/11/2001 attacks, and with thousands of Muslim terrorist attacks carried out, or thwarted, all over the globe against every kind of non-Muslim in every possible setting, knows anything about the Qur”an?</span></p>
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<p><span>When we come to having our Nuremberg Trials, we can argue the failure of all these journalists amounted to either a conspiracy or criminal negligence.</span></p> Yes you'd think Ms Waters wou…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-01-26:3766518:Comment:1441372014-01-26T19:47:49.206Zpaul collingshttp://4freedoms.com/profile/paulcollings
<p>Yes you'd think Ms Waters would have been a bit sharper. I tend to keep a Koran at the very least with me. The only problem is most Muslims don't like us unclean infidels touching one.</p>
<p>When I was in luton one afternoon, one of the lads giving it the Dawa, was most upset when I produced one and started reading from it. He tried to knock it out of my hand, and accused me of lying?</p>
<p>I was moved on by two police officers. For my own safety. I doubt I'd get way with it today. I…</p>
<p>Yes you'd think Ms Waters would have been a bit sharper. I tend to keep a Koran at the very least with me. The only problem is most Muslims don't like us unclean infidels touching one.</p>
<p>When I was in luton one afternoon, one of the lads giving it the Dawa, was most upset when I produced one and started reading from it. He tried to knock it out of my hand, and accused me of lying?</p>
<p>I was moved on by two police officers. For my own safety. I doubt I'd get way with it today. I doubt the Police go there anymore.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/obama-and-clegg-both-lied-to-claim-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace?groupUrl=infiltration&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A144084&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A108729#3766518Comment144084"><div><p>It was very stupid of her not to go armed with the appropriate props. She should have had at least a copy of The Reliance of the Traveller. And the Koran and Ibn Ishaq for good measure.<br/><br/>As we saw in "When Tommy Met Mo", Ansar was desperate to get the koran out of Tommy's hands.<br/> <br/> <cite>paul collings said:</cite></p>
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<p>Well are we to believe anything Mehdi Hasan says. In a recent Oxford debate against Ann Waters, he ridiculed her argument about one law for all. He said There was no such thing as Sharia law. He said it was a mythical law, and asked her to produce the sharia law book. So twisting the truth shows he could well be a master of Taqqiya. Or he's never read the Koran and should maybe refrain from acting as a spokesman for Islam.</p>
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</blockquote> It was very stupid of her not…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-01-26:3766518:Comment:1440842014-01-26T18:29:18.589ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>It was very stupid of her not to go armed with the appropriate props. She should have had at least a copy of The Reliance of the Traveller. And the Koran and Ibn Ishaq for good measure.<br></br><br></br>As we saw in "When Tommy Met Mo", Ansar was desperate to get the koran out of Tommy's hands.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>paul collings said:…</cite></p>
<p>It was very stupid of her not to go armed with the appropriate props. She should have had at least a copy of The Reliance of the Traveller. And the Koran and Ibn Ishaq for good measure.<br/><br/>As we saw in "When Tommy Met Mo", Ansar was desperate to get the koran out of Tommy's hands.<br/> <br/> <cite>paul collings said:</cite></p>
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<p>Well are we to believe anything Mehdi Hasan says. In a recent Oxford debate against Ann Waters, he ridiculed her argument about one law for all. He said There was no such thing as Sharia law. He said it was a mythical law, and asked her to produce the sharia law book. So twisting the truth shows he could well be a master of Taqqiya. Or he's never read the Koran and should maybe refrain from acting as a spokesman for Islam.</p>
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