The Economist on Brexit: Britain sailing into a storm - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T12:02:25Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/the-economist-on-brexit-britain-sailing-into-a-storm?groupUrl=uk&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYep. Just like those famous p…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-09-19:3766518:Comment:1978462018-09-19T12:09:36.327ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Yep. Just like those famous people who oppose guns, whilst parading round with a bevy of gun-toting bodyguards.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Kinana said:</cite></p>
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<p>"Speaking at the European Forum Alpbach…</p>
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<p>Yep. Just like those famous people who oppose guns, whilst parading round with a bevy of gun-toting bodyguards.<br/> <br/> <cite>Kinana said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/the-economist-on-brexit-britain-sailing-into-a-storm?groupUrl=uk&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A197644&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255#3766518Comment197644"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>From September 2016</p>
<p>"Speaking at the European Forum Alpbach on Monday, Jean-Claude Juncker called on Europe to show "solidarity" with refugees and described borders as the "worst invention" ever produced by politicians.</p>
<p>"We have to fight against nationalism," said Juncker, who is the president of the European Commission, the EU's executive branch. "We have the duty not to follow populists but to block the avenue of populists."</p>
<p>He added: "Borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians...<span class="text_exposed_show"><span> </span>In the concentration of globalisation and European problems, we must not lose our way."</span></p>
<div class="text_exposed_show"><p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/jean-claude-juncker-borders-european-union-immigration-2016-8?r=UK&IR=T" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">http://www.businessinsider.com/jean-claude-juncker-borders-…</a><br/>--<br/>I bet this guy locks the front door at his home to protect his family and property. But he would deny to the Nation what he secures for himself. The hypocrisy of the left is mind boggling!</p>
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"Speaking…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-09-17:3766518:Comment:1976442018-09-17T12:47:16.670ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>From September 2016</p>
<p>"Speaking at the European Forum Alpbach on Monday, Jean-Claude Juncker called on Europe to show "solidarity" with refugees and described borders as the "worst invention" ever produced by politicians.</p>
<p>"We have to fight against nationalism," said Juncker, who is the president of the European Commission, the EU's executive branch. "We have the duty not to follow populists but to block the avenue of populists."</p>
<p>He added: "Borders are the worst invention…</p>
<p>From September 2016</p>
<p>"Speaking at the European Forum Alpbach on Monday, Jean-Claude Juncker called on Europe to show "solidarity" with refugees and described borders as the "worst invention" ever produced by politicians.</p>
<p>"We have to fight against nationalism," said Juncker, who is the president of the European Commission, the EU's executive branch. "We have the duty not to follow populists but to block the avenue of populists."</p>
<p>He added: "Borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians...<span class="text_exposed_show"><span> </span>In the concentration of globalisation and European problems, we must not lose our way."</span></p>
<div class="text_exposed_show"><p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/jean-claude-juncker-borders-european-union-immigration-2016-8?r=UK&IR=T" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">http://www.businessinsider.com/jean-claude-juncker-borders-…</a><br/>--<br/>I bet this guy locks the front door at his home to protect his family and property. But he would deny to the Nation what he secures for himself. The hypocrisy of the left is mind boggling!</p>
</div> Invoke Article 50 ; https://w…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-06:3766518:Comment:1804362016-07-06T17:26:05.705ZAntonyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Antony
<p>Invoke Article 50 ; <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InvokeArticle50Now/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/InvokeArticle50Now/</a></p>
<p>Invoke Article 50 ; <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InvokeArticle50Now/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/InvokeArticle50Now/</a></p> Theresa May's shocking track…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-05:3766518:Comment:1804272016-07-05T10:55:06.875ZAntonyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Antony
<p>Theresa May's shocking track record on islam ; <a href="http://www.weneedtotalkaboutislam.com/#" target="_blank">http://www.weneedtotalkaboutislam.com/#</a>!Theresa-May-Her-shocking-track-record-on-Islam-exposed/c193z/5779f1450cf23a71a16118a0</p>
<p>Theresa May's shocking track record on islam ; <a href="http://www.weneedtotalkaboutislam.com/#" target="_blank">http://www.weneedtotalkaboutislam.com/#</a>!Theresa-May-Her-shocking-track-record-on-Islam-exposed/c193z/5779f1450cf23a71a16118a0</p> You have probably seen the bl…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-02:3766518:Comment:1804232016-07-02T17:49:00.087ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>You have probably seen the black shirted fascists of Black Bloc joining the Remain demonstrators. Yet 12 years ago, those anarchists were producing documents like the attached. The retards are so backward, they don't even grasp their own about face. It shows that for the Fascist Left, politics is just fashion. It's an exercise in groupthink and following the crowd.</p>
<p>You have probably seen the black shirted fascists of Black Bloc joining the Remain demonstrators. Yet 12 years ago, those anarchists were producing documents like the attached. The retards are so backward, they don't even grasp their own about face. It shows that for the Fascist Left, politics is just fashion. It's an exercise in groupthink and following the crowd.</p> Interesting that Canada has a…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-02:3766518:Comment:1804202016-07-02T16:00:38.786ZHannah Hhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/HannahHasse
<p>Interesting that Canada has already declared an interest in a free trade treaty. <br/><br/>Interesting because Canada is part of NAFTA, the North American free trade area. Hence if we had free trade with Canada we would effectively have free trade with all of NAFTA, American companies would merely need an office there. <br/><br/>Sounds like we could have bigger and better access to a far wealthier area than the EU the moment we leave.</p>
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<p>Interesting that Canada has already declared an interest in a free trade treaty. <br/><br/>Interesting because Canada is part of NAFTA, the North American free trade area. Hence if we had free trade with Canada we would effectively have free trade with all of NAFTA, American companies would merely need an office there. <br/><br/>Sounds like we could have bigger and better access to a far wealthier area than the EU the moment we leave.</p>
<p></p> The Moat is my No.1 reason fo…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-01:3766518:Comment:1803142016-07-01T01:10:24.640ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The Moat is my No.1 reason for supporting Brexit.</p>
<p>All the rest is just icing on the cake.</p>
<p>French govt has been advised to intern the 10,000 jihadi suspects they have. French PM has refused. No wonder Gay Pride has just been cut short in France on security grounds. </p>
<p>And just so we don't feel smug, here's Britain's finest.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807064?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" height="1050" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807064?profile=original" width="675"></img></a> <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Alan Lake…</cite></p>
<p>The Moat is my No.1 reason for supporting Brexit.</p>
<p>All the rest is just icing on the cake.</p>
<p>French govt has been advised to intern the 10,000 jihadi suspects they have. French PM has refused. No wonder Gay Pride has just been cut short in France on security grounds. </p>
<p>And just so we don't feel smug, here's Britain's finest.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807064?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54807064?profile=original" width="675" class="align-full" height="1050"/></a><br/> <br/> <cite>Alan Lake said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/the-economist-on-brexit-britain-sailing-into-a-storm?groupUrl=uk&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A180418&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255#3766518Comment180418"><div class="xg_user_generated">Let's be thankful, with Brexit we have once again recovered our moat!<br/><br/></div>
</blockquote> Andrew Neil (and others) have…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-01:3766518:Comment:1803112016-07-01T01:05:50.525ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Andrew Neil (and others) have been commenting that, with their Brexit coverage, The Economist seems to have gone doo lally.</p>
<p>Andrew Neil (and others) have been commenting that, with their Brexit coverage, The Economist seems to have gone doo lally.</p> Let's be thankful, with Brexi…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-07-01:3766518:Comment:1804182016-07-01T00:54:44.880ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
Let's be thankful, with Brexit we have once again recovered our moat!<br></br>
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This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,<br></br>
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,<br></br>
This other Eden, demi-paradise;<br></br>
This fortress, built by nature for herself,<br></br>
Against infection, and the hand of war;<br></br>
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This happy breed of men, this little world;<br></br>
This precious stone set in the silver sea,<br></br>
Which serves it in the office of a wall,<br></br>
Or as a moat defensive to a…
Let's be thankful, with Brexit we have once again recovered our moat!<br/>
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This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,<br/>
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,<br/>
This other Eden, demi-paradise;<br/>
This fortress, built by nature for herself,<br/>
Against infection, and the hand of war;<br/>
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This happy breed of men, this little world;<br/>
This precious stone set in the silver sea,<br/>
Which serves it in the office of a wall,<br/>
Or as a moat defensive to a house,<br/>
Against the envy of less happier lands;<br/>
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,<br/>
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This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,<br/>
Fear'd by their breed, and famous by their birth,<br/>
Renowned for their deeds as far from home<br/>
(For Christian service and true chivalry)<br/>
As is the sepulchre, in stubborn Jewry,<br/>
Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's son.<br />
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(Shakespeare - Richard 2nd, Act 2, Sc 1) Thanks for that link Paul, I'…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-06-30:3766518:Comment:1805092016-06-30T19:28:04.607ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Thanks for that link Paul, I'm still digesting it. It contained this gem, which explains one of the more puzzling aspects of how the government creates debt and releases it into the national society.</p>
<blockquote><p><span>A larger money supply actually leads to price increases and disruption of the deflationary spiral. <strong>In the past the printing presses would be turned on but nowadays the central bank buys government bonds, mortgage bonds and other securities and finances these…</strong></span></p>
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<p>Thanks for that link Paul, I'm still digesting it. It contained this gem, which explains one of the more puzzling aspects of how the government creates debt and releases it into the national society.</p>
<blockquote><p><span>A larger money supply actually leads to price increases and disruption of the deflationary spiral. <strong>In the past the printing presses would be turned on but nowadays the central bank buys government bonds, mortgage bonds and other securities and finances these transactions by increasing the personal balance</strong>. There are no extra physical bank notes printed. The mechanism works by means of central banks buying bonds in the market or directly from banks. Banks are credited for the purchase amount in the accounts held with the central bank. In this way, banks obtain liquidity. In response to this liquidity banks can then provide new loans.</span></p>
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<p>Although it is confusing because it is talking about the Assett and Liability Balance Sheet (it has also been translated from Dutch).</p>
<p>For that sheet, an assett is positive and a liability is negative. Thus the Central Bank has to <em>increase</em> its assett account so that it is then able to transfer sterling to a Commercial Bank, which then has that liability (negative, i.e. a debt) on <em>its</em> assett account.</p>
<p>So how does the Central Bank increase its assett account? I think it just adds 100,000,000 to the account to add £100M to it. It is a fiction, creating money out of thin air. It works because the currency is still trusted, but over time, as that money trickles through circulation, it pushes the prices of all goods higher. In other words, <em>it works be stealing money from all the existing holders of sterling</em>.</p>
<p>In the old days, the king might steal money by nicking bits off the gold coins, or by mixing it with baser metals. Is this any different?</p>
<p>Stated as I have just put it, the process of Central Bank control of a Fiat money supply is clearly ridiculous. But of course they don't put it like that and they don't show you the magical bit where they just go in and add 100,000,000 to one of the accounts. They get away with it by making it so complicated and confusing. It's taken me years to get to the bottom of it.</p>
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<p><cite>paul collings said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/the-economist-on-brexit-britain-sailing-into-a-storm?groupUrl=uk&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255&id=3766518%3ATopic%3A179952&page=1#3766518Comment180055"><p><a href="https://t.co/YYr46QRh4w" target="_blank">https://t.co/YYr46QRh4w</a></p>
<p>I think the stock market will likely have a melt down. Every bad deal can now be blamed on Brexit and not on the dodgy dealings in Brussels and the wider economic community around the world. Its a bankers get out clause ...</p>
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