The Ideological Chasm - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T10:39:28Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/the-ideological-chasm?groupUrl=argumentation&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe Left can't see their own…tag:4freedoms.com,2021-03-02:3766518:Comment:2714502021-03-02T10:33:07.461ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The Left can't see their own delusions. Just like with Brexit, Trump, etc. They spent 4 years trying to derail Brexit. They could only stop Trump by electoral fraud.</p>
<p>Leftist newspaper reports on how Leftist voters are saying they will not vote for Macron next election.…</p>
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<p>The Left can't see their own delusions. Just like with Brexit, Trump, etc. They spent 4 years trying to derail Brexit. They could only stop Trump by electoral fraud.</p>
<p>Leftist newspaper reports on how Leftist voters are saying they will not vote for Macron next election.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">Alison Sargent told France24 that the left-wing newspaper Libération <strong>has suffered a backlash for reporting on their front page that </strong></span><span style="font-size: 14px;"><strong><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/emmanuel-macron" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px none; margin: 0px; transform: none; text-decoration: none; color: #bb1a00; outline: currentcolor none medium; font-family: Arial, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">Emmanuel Macron</a></strong></span><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><strong> has lost support from left-wing voters</strong>. The political commentator stated that Libération were accused of giving French voters permission to break the "sacred political pact" between left-wing and right-wing voters to come together in order to stop a far-right politician from getting into office. </span></p>
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<p><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1404120/Emmanuel-Macron-France-news-President-election-Marine-Le-Pen-latest-Liberation-update-vn" target="_blank">https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1404120/Emmanuel-Macron-France-news-President-election-Marine-Le-Pen-latest-Liberation-update-vn</a></p>
<p>The oligarchy demand that Leftists ignore shifts in public attitudes unless these shifts support the project of corporate globalisation/immigration. </p>
<p>The public are prepared to cross the ideological chasm (or at least not shore up their side of it). The oligarchy demand that this not be reported/recogized.</p> Leftists like Brendan O'Conno…tag:4freedoms.com,2021-01-21:3766518:Comment:2535222021-01-21T20:43:48.854ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Leftists like Brendan O'Connor truly have no shame, and a totally twisted sense of right and wrong. He says plainly that 500 of his people moved over to 50 of the other 'non-persons', and attacked them. That's 2 wrong actions right there, and 2 incriminating facts in law, for a charge of assault. But for Brendan, it's all good stuff because he knows he is always in the right. Just wait till it Muslims do the same 2 things to you Brendan, then you might realise how pernicious your view is.</p>
<p>Leftists like Brendan O'Connor truly have no shame, and a totally twisted sense of right and wrong. He says plainly that 500 of his people moved over to 50 of the other 'non-persons', and attacked them. That's 2 wrong actions right there, and 2 incriminating facts in law, for a charge of assault. But for Brendan, it's all good stuff because he knows he is always in the right. Just wait till it Muslims do the same 2 things to you Brendan, then you might realise how pernicious your view is.</p> The Fantasy world of the Left…tag:4freedoms.com,2021-01-21:3766518:Comment:2533262021-01-21T12:47:56.728ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>The Fantasy world of the Left.</p>
<p>Here's an Australian politician writing in a British newspaper about an American organisation he's never seen nor interviewed.</p>
<p><span>On Proud Boys (whose leader isn't white):</span></p>
<p><span>"three of those who [Allegedly] <span style="text-decoration: underline;">participated</span> in a gang [Allegedly] assault in New York in 2018 were [Allegedly] <span style="text-decoration: underline;">affiliated</span> with [Allegedly] …</span></p>
<p>The Fantasy world of the Left.</p>
<p>Here's an Australian politician writing in a British newspaper about an American organisation he's never seen nor interviewed.</p>
<p><span>On Proud Boys (whose leader isn't white):</span></p>
<p><span>"three of those who [Allegedly] <span style="text-decoration: underline;">participated</span> in a gang [Allegedly] assault in New York in 2018 were [Allegedly] <span style="text-decoration: underline;">affiliated</span> with [Allegedly] <span style="text-decoration: underline;">racist [Allegedly] skinhead crews</span> [Allegedly]<span style="text-decoration: underline;">long known</span> to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">local [Allegedly]antifascist</span> and antiracist <span style="text-decoration: underline;">organisers</span>"</span></p>
<p><span><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jan/21/donald-trump-useful-thugs-proud-boys-far-right-republican-party" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jan/21/donald-trump-useful-thugs-proud-boys-far-right-republican-party</a></span></p>
<p><span>There are half a dozen levels of indirection in this claim that Proud Boys were associated with fascists. And the ultimate aim of the article is to "prove" that Trump was a racist/fascist.</span></p>
<p><span>This is what passes for journalism. Doesn't matter what Proud Boys say their views are, The Guardian gets to be the arbiter of what their views are. Their actual views are censored & suppressed so the TechnoFascists can say what the views of the censored are. Just as in 1984 the enemy Goldsteirn never gets to speak for himself - his views are always mediated through Big Brother and The Ministry of Truth.</span></p>
<p><span>The retarded Guardian readers will remember that this article "proved that Proud Boys was a fascist group".</span></p> Yes, its a great example.
Bu…tag:4freedoms.com,2020-08-12:3766518:Comment:2081362020-08-12T15:41:01.815ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Yes, its a great example. </p>
<p>But in the end all he was doing was defending, and if you defend all the time, eventually you will lose, like Constantinople. </p>
<p>If he attacked and humiliated, she would struggle to walk away, because she'd look like she was retreating in shame.</p>
<p>The girl could be attacked as a splittist / sectarianist / tribalist seeking to get benefits for her own people.</p>
<p>Or she could be attacked for electoral fraud, by seeking to import voters on her…</p>
<p>Yes, its a great example. </p>
<p>But in the end all he was doing was defending, and if you defend all the time, eventually you will lose, like Constantinople. </p>
<p>If he attacked and humiliated, she would struggle to walk away, because she'd look like she was retreating in shame.</p>
<p>The girl could be attacked as a splittist / sectarianist / tribalist seeking to get benefits for her own people.</p>
<p>Or she could be attacked for electoral fraud, by seeking to import voters on her side. Extra insults can be added to these terms to beef it out along the same lines.</p>
<p>The classical position is that if she walks away while he is hurling ad hominem insults at her, she retains the moral high ground. Yes, that was the 20th century. That was then, this is now.</p> This discussion topic was cre…tag:4freedoms.com,2020-08-12:3766518:Comment:2081292020-08-12T10:15:24.328ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>This discussion topic was created in 2013. By that point I had been talking about how fake democracy is, how it's controlled by an Elite who truly exercise power, that there was an ideological chasm separating those who believe in socialism & multiculturalism vs those who believe in free speech, liberalism, democracy - that the age of dialogue & debate was over. Ever since 2013 I've refused to debate anything with opponents, because it's a waste of time. If they can't win the debate…</p>
<p>This discussion topic was created in 2013. By that point I had been talking about how fake democracy is, how it's controlled by an Elite who truly exercise power, that there was an ideological chasm separating those who believe in socialism & multiculturalism vs those who believe in free speech, liberalism, democracy - that the age of dialogue & debate was over. Ever since 2013 I've refused to debate anything with opponents, because it's a waste of time. If they can't win the debate they will destroy the possibility of debate. Even if they had lost a debate in the past, it didn't change their views. But it might have chanced the views of onlookers who were not so ideologically blinkered.</p>
<p>Here's a great example of how they are now not even prepared to be seen to be losing. Charlie Kirk assets a single fact which exposes the lies of the student Left. The students walk away from the discussion because the fact undercuts the lies of their ideological claims, moreover they demand that all the onlookers leave the debate too.</p>
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</p> It appears someone went throu…tag:4freedoms.com,2018-11-01:3766518:Comment:1983802018-11-01T08:01:48.326ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>It appears someone went through the viewings of videos of speeches at the Oxford Union, and ranked them by popularity.</p>
<p>Tommy Robinson's speech comes out in front by miles. Many times more popular than Ricky Gervaise, Stephen Fry, Morgan Freeman, Rio Ferdinand. Hundreds of times more popular than Jack Dorsey, Julian Assange, Nick Clegg, John Major.</p>
<p>So what TR has to say is vastly more important to people than the views of major comedians, footballers, politicians, nobel prize…</p>
<p>It appears someone went through the viewings of videos of speeches at the Oxford Union, and ranked them by popularity.</p>
<p>Tommy Robinson's speech comes out in front by miles. Many times more popular than Ricky Gervaise, Stephen Fry, Morgan Freeman, Rio Ferdinand. Hundreds of times more popular than Jack Dorsey, Julian Assange, Nick Clegg, John Major.</p>
<p>So what TR has to say is vastly more important to people than the views of major comedians, footballers, politicians, nobel prize winners. Makes sense he's been invited to speak before the US Congress.</p>
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<p>I had to screenshot these from Facebook. Once someone uploads an image to Facebook or Twitter, they do everything they can to make it difficult for you to download the image. Which is another way for them to erase information from history, once they delete your account.</p> Polarisation, we do not even…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-10-20:3766518:Comment:1833882016-10-20T11:16:41.792ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p>Polarisation, we do not even speak the same language anymore, and it was not us that moved the goalposts, the Left have redefined words.</p>
<p>It's this totalitarian thing about rewriting history the past (and the present).</p>
<p>Polarisation, we do not even speak the same language anymore, and it was not us that moved the goalposts, the Left have redefined words.</p>
<p>It's this totalitarian thing about rewriting history the past (and the present).</p> A few news items recently mak…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-10-19:3766518:Comment:1834432016-10-19T12:11:32.715ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>A few news items recently make me think that there's a kind of conceptual chasm opening up between the confused mish mash of ideas of Western liberalism, and those countries that have had enough of trying to go along with it. A sign that this chasm has arisen, is that the interviewer and the speaker, simply fail to understand some of the questions and responses, and the question has to be repeated.<br></br><br></br> Imagine this one, in a society that forces parents to allow self-identifying trans…</p>
<p>A few news items recently make me think that there's a kind of conceptual chasm opening up between the confused mish mash of ideas of Western liberalism, and those countries that have had enough of trying to go along with it. A sign that this chasm has arisen, is that the interviewer and the speaker, simply fail to understand some of the questions and responses, and the question has to be repeated.<br/><br/> Imagine this one, in a society that forces parents to allow self-identifying trans gendered men, into the girl pupils changing rooms.</p>
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<li>Indonesia castration law 'will wipe out paedophilia'<br/><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37694475" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37694475</a></li>
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<p>Imagine this one, in a society that pays damages to Guantanamo terrorists, arrested in a combat zone.</p>
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<li>Philippines' Duterte tells Obama to 'go to hell'<br/><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37548695" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37548695</a></li>
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<p>Or this one, where the self-righteous are supposed to get so upset at Saudi Arabia doing what we all know it does. Yet we are supposed to pretend that it's just a country with similar values to ours, filled with people who are just like you and me. Of course the Saudi kid is going to keep the conversation going as long as he's got the boob shot. I don't think Westerners have any idea what a precious commodity that is over there.</p>
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<li><p>The Saudi teen arrested for flirting online<br/><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37683947" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37683947</a></p>
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<p>Perhaps Viktor Orban should be here as well. All he does is assert a nation's right to defend its borders, and its duty to look after the welfare of its own people - yet he is portrayed as a monster by other European countries.</p> The Left have been dismantlin…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-02-23:3766518:Comment:1762122016-02-23T17:18:14.530ZPhilip Smeetonhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/PhilipSmeeton
<p><span>The Left have been dismantling nations unopposed all too long in the name of international socialism. Socialism is basically wishful thinking, pretty theories that do not correspond with reality. Human nature and the criminal and barbaric behavior of so many makes absolute equality and universal solidarity virtually impossible. The social justice that socialists dish out is bound to be abused and exploited. Thus socialism is forced to become totalitarian and tyrannical, an evil thing…</span></p>
<p><span>The Left have been dismantling nations unopposed all too long in the name of international socialism. Socialism is basically wishful thinking, pretty theories that do not correspond with reality. Human nature and the criminal and barbaric behavior of so many makes absolute equality and universal solidarity virtually impossible. The social justice that socialists dish out is bound to be abused and exploited. Thus socialism is forced to become totalitarian and tyrannical, an evil thing in itself. Do-gooders no matter how noble their intentions always end up doing more harm than good.</span><br/><span>What the socialists have done by dismantling borders and welcoming all as equals is to destabilize nations once united by a common culture and identity. Large scale immigration makes integration impossible, and multiculturalism does not produce a stable society where cultures and people have mutual respect. Multiculturalism and indiscriminate immigration produces a society that consists of large minorities that compete with and that are in conflict with each other. Socialism either becomes dictatorship or tears apart and destroys once functional and stable societies. The plebs want back and need their nation, a common identity and to decide their own destiny and not to be told to shut up and do what their betters have decided is best for them.</span></p> Brendan O'Neil (who I think…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-02-23:3766518:Comment:1763112016-02-23T16:03:42.482ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p> Brendan O'Neil (who I think is an ex-communist) on the revenge of the plebs.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/from-trumpmania-to-euroscepticism-revenge-of-the-plebs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/from-trumpmania-to-euroscepticism-revenge-of-the-plebs/</a></p>
<p>We really were ahead of the curve with the EDL. I'm proud to be a pleb.</p>
<p> Brendan O'Neil (who I think is an ex-communist) on the revenge of the plebs.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/from-trumpmania-to-euroscepticism-revenge-of-the-plebs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/from-trumpmania-to-euroscepticism-revenge-of-the-plebs/</a></p>
<p>We really were ahead of the curve with the EDL. I'm proud to be a pleb.</p>