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Its too early to say where its going, but the 2 events I've copied to this forum show that the political landscape is changing.

In the first one, Nick Griffin of the BNP states that the authorities are to blame for incubating the appalling conditions which allowed years of paedophile grooming of underage girls in the North, and the consequent street violence against that.  I'm sure that previously they would have just distanced themselves from any form of violence.  I guess they've realised that its pointless trying to be whiter-than-white because the media will never give you and kudos for that and paint you black regardless.  So you might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, and at least get your real message out - that the authorities are the ones to blame. (And I managed to say all of that without saying "chickens have come home to roost" :-)  ).

In the second one, the BNP removes its proscription on the EDL.  They tie themselves in a few knots on the Gay issue and Israel, but ignoring that, what are they trying to achieve?  Perhaps they are worried by the British Freedom Party concept, or perhaps its an extension of the point I made above, that since the media have a "heads I win; tails you lose" approach to the right wing, you may as well ally with whoever you can, because you are going to get crapped upon anyway.

So now I'll paste the two articles.
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Grooming gang Muslims face wrath of English locals

There is no point the police and media blaming ‘mindless yobs’ for these disturbances. Such ignorant and insulting snobbery will only make things worse.Following the disturbances last night in the Lancashire town of Heywood, in which some 300 local anti-grooming protesters fought running battles with police and Muslim taxi-drivers, Nick Griffin MEP has issued the following statement and appeal:

"The police, press, politicians and middle class social services and education authority bosses have
 ignored or belittled the legitimate grievances of the English community in towns such as Heywood for years. It is time they came down from their ivory towers and listened to the well-founded concerns of real people on real streets
.

Take-aways and Muslim taxi firms are the rotten core of three intertwined social evils: the paedophile grooming and gang-rape of young girls, violent race-hate attacks on young lads, and the heroin trade. Popular outrage over these problems is not ‘mindless hooliganism’ or ‘racism’; it is the direct result of more than a decade of police failure. Under such circumstances, English community self-defence is no offence – the only surprise is that it has taken so long.

I spoke out about the unaddressed evil of Muslim grooming gangs preying on young girls from other communities back in 2004. The police reaction was to turn a blind eye to those sickening crimes. Instead they arrested me and twice put me on trial under a perverse law that says that telling the truth is no defence. The media reaction was to censor the election broadcast the British National Party made to draw attention to the plight of thousands of vulnerable victims and their families.

If the police and courts had done their duty and taken effective action years ago, the towns of northern England would not now be a powder keg of communal tensions. If the police act now against the paedophile groomers, the anti-English ethnic cleansers and the narco-jihad heroin pushers, then they can still defuse the time-bomb ticking away in Heywood and in dozens of other towns.

The recent arrests and the current trials of grooming suspects show that the police are able to act, but they are still pussyfooting around. 47 Muslim paedophile suspects facing trial is a start, but everyone knows that this is only the tip of the iceberg. If the police are serious about heading off trouble, they need to arrest hundreds of these criminals and to close down the shops and taxi firms that they use as the bases for their crimes against our community.

If, instead of enforcing the law and protecting the hitherto patient majority, the police turn on the protesters and the media demonise them, then the righteous anger over grooming, anti-English violence and the heroin jihad will explode on a far bigger scale. The authorities must understand that the protests in Heywood last night may be the last warning they get, the last chance to put justice before political correctness, and the last opportunity to convince working class communities that they don’t have to take the law into their own hands.

Muslim leaders must also do the right thing. They need to act, right now, to distance their community from the criminal minority bringing shame on them all. Rather than joining in the ritual condemnations of ‘Islamophobia’, I appeal to them to call on their people to put their own house in order and hand the groomers, the thugs and the pushers over to the police.

Clear and decisive action to show that not all Muslims sympathise with the paedophile grooming and beating of Unbelievers, would do more than anything else to defuse the situation and to protect the many Asian-owned businesses which are not involved in these crimes.

As the only high-ranking elected voice of the long-ignored English majority, I also appeal directly to the protesters: Do not blame innocent Asians. Blame the people who most deserve the blame – the politicians, police bosses and media editors who first created and then ignored these threats to our community.

Don’t rise to provocations or give the Powers That Be the chance to arrest and demonise you. The anger against the groomers is understandable and justified, but the solution is not to burn shops run by paedophile groomers, but to BOYCOTT them. The only way to deal with these people is not to deal with them. 

And the only way to get politicians on our side is to vote out the ones who aren’t – that means entire families, whole workplaces, entire pubs and whole communities taking a solemn vow never to vote Labour, LibDem or Tory ever again. Those parties have spent years pandering to the Muslim block vote by putting the handcuffs of political correctness on the police. They’re all the same, they’re all to blame!

Mr Griffin also added that the news from Heywood, and of similar concerns in both Rochdale and Oldham, makes it even more important that as many people as possible attend the demonstration in Hyde tomorrow at 11am.

Make sure you do your bit to protect English children. Join me and many others on our demo to demand justice for English victims of race-hate attacks and force the police to take action against the criminals in the Muslim community who commit these vile actions. We need you tomorrow... make plans today!

Thank you,








Nick Griffin MEP
Chairman, British National Party

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An opportunity to be seized - Why we have lifted the proscription on the English Defence League

Sat, 25/02/2012 - 11:00
A number of people have asked why we have recently made a point of co-operating with English Defence League members when contact with that organisation was previously discouraged. Nick Griffin MEP explains the position.


Not long after it first emerged, the English Defence League was proscribed by the British National Party. While we had sympathy with a large part of the EDL´s message, several things concerned us greatly.

First, we felt it all too possible that the media would exploit the EDL´s boisterous activities in order to smear us by association.

Second, looking at the way in which the police were permitting activities which would previously have been stamped on from the start, we concluded that it could well be being used by the State to create a ´honeytrap´ for sincere but unwary patriots.

Third, we recognised the behind the scenes links between sections of the EDL´s national leadership and a neo-con/extreme Zionist clique in Canada and the USA.

The EDL’s very effective internet presence, sophisticated personalised clothing operation and the supply of coaches that were critical to getting it off the ground, were all financed not out of the pockets of its overwhelmingly working class grass-roots, but by a tight-knit group of wealthy businessmen. Such people don’t ‘invest’ in something like the English Defence League by accident.

As this statement is prepared, the National Chairman of the EDL’s ‘political wing’ is on a speaking tour of North America. On Monday, for example, he addressed the Canadian Zionist Congress at their headquarters in Toronto.

While we recognise the right of all peoples to a homeland, and the various advantages of the Jewish people being secure in their own, we were very concerned at what appeared to be efforts to use the EDL to manipulate popular opinion in Britain in favour of our country´s involvement in neo-con foreign adventures that are nothing to do us and not in our national interest.
   
We have Jewish members, probably more than the EDL, but we don’t make a song and dance of it. A minority of our non-Jewish members are pro-Zionist, many are firmly anti-Zionist. The majority takes the Nationalist position that what happens in the Middle East is none of our business. We are against anyone trying to involve Britain and to waste blood or treasure on behalf of either side.

Israeli flags have no more place on street demonstrations in Britain than Palestinian ones. That kind of thing only helps to further radicalise young Muslims and to add to their hostility to all things British.

All the above factors played a role in our early decision to proscribe the English Defence League and its offshoots. In recent months, however, we have reassessed the situation in the light of subsequent developments.

On the first point, after several major media ´plugs´ for, and several major smears against, the EDL, the fact is that it has carved out a loose mass following among a whole new generation of young working and middle class Brits. Scores of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of them have developed a basic political and ethnic awareness thanks to the existence and activities of the EDL and its Scottish and Welsh sub-sections.

Whatever the ultimate aims of those behind it, when the history of the indigenous fight back in these islands comes to be written, the organisation will be recorded as having played a significant role.

With the EDL nationally now riven by factionalism and dissent, however, there is a serious risk that this following, influence and energy will go to waste. If the EDL recovers its cohesion, all well and good, we´ll be pleased to see that good work continuing. But if it doesn´t, we cannot afford to turn our backs on this reservoir of new awareness among the young generation.

On the second point – the obvious interest of sections of the State in the operation -  our analysis is now widely recognised among the EDL´s intelligent and increasingly sophisticated ´middle management` as having been well-founded - which automatically reduces the danger. Quite simply, a honeytrap is only any use if potential targets don´t see the danger.

Further, the police launched an outrageous mass arrest of EDL members at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day, as a blatantly obvious way of placating the Muslim community following the ban on Muslims Against Crusades. This event showed clearly why the State had allowed the EDL to take off: They wanted a plausible opportunity to say to Muslims "look at this, we´re not just picking on Muslim extremists, we´ve roughed up that nasty English Defence League as well."

We came out very firmly against that totally uncalled for police attack on the EDL at the Cenotaph, but at least the incident made it totally clear what the Powers That Be were thinking about when they first let the EDL run. Once something is understood in this way, initial fears about who is playing what game and why quickly dissipate.

On the third point – the EDL leadership’s links with and promotion by Zionists - the issue is still there. Indeed, the recent link-up between the official EDL, the well-connected and pro-Zionist businessman Paul Weston and a clique of ex-BNP back-stabbers led by the man who took our website down just before the last General Election, all makes us even more wary of the motivation of some of those involved at the top.

Equally, however, there has clearly been a massive shift within the English Defence League´s regional and local organisation, and rank-and-file, to an understanding of, and opposition to, the danger of being used as pawns in a neo-con game.

The problem is not the English Defence League, still less its huge pool of loosely affiliated support, but a handful of people at the top and behind the scenes. Most important of all, those people no longer command the respect or support of many of those nominally beneath them. So here too, there is a serious risk that, if the EDL continues to fragment, its remarkable achievement as a social networking/mobile phone/grass-roots word of mouth organisation could simply break up and vanish.

This would be a tragedy, because the threat of Islamisation that made the EDL both timely and necessary is still there. Islam-based evils, such as paedophile grooming and racist attacks on young indigenous lads on the edges of their growing ghettoes, are increasing. Betrayal of our people, civilisation, Christian heritage and democratic freedoms, by a cowardly dhimmified elite, continues. These things have to be resisted by more than just fighting elections.

On top of all that, the pressure on the EDL´s leadership by its rank and file has over the last few months (particularly during the August riots) forced them to adopt a position that has significantly advanced from their early civic nationalism.

Taken as a whole, and whatever the organisation says, it is now in spirit essentially the ethno-nationalist creation that its name always implied. Of course, that doesn´t mean that it´s hostile to integrated Sikhs or West Indians, but nor are we.

Yes, it has a few gay members Big deal, so has the British National Party. The EDL leadership have played the PC card by flaunting this fact with ridiculous talk of a ´Gay Division´. We prefer to leave it in the closet, because private sexuality that someone was born with is something that is not the business of either a political party or the State. Whichever one prefers, it is obviously a million miles from the Islamist desire to persecute homosexuals and throw them off tall buildings or stone them to death.

To sum up: Despite major differences between us and them at both organisational and ideological levels, the British National Party – and the Cause as a whole – has more to gain than lose by giving its members a free hand in approaching and working with sensible members of the English Defence League.

Most of all, the Islamist presence that threatens the very survival of our civilisation and the freedom of our people provides us with an example from which all of us must learn: Whatever their many differences of opinion and rivalries, when the chips are down, the Muslims always unite and make common cause against the Unbelievers.

While ‘Tommy Robinson’ tries to curry favour with the editors of the Zionist-backed gutter press by declaring the British National Party to be ‘unwelcome’, ‘racist’, etc, etc, Muslim organisations, aiming to take power in Britain, stand shoulder to shoulder and make common cause against a divided opposition.

This needs to stop – and fast! The brave young men standing in defence of their community against grooming and anti-English violence in Heywood this weekend are showing that our people can and will rise up against the evils wrought by the political elite and the Islamist predator they have let loose in our land.

They need and deserve a powerful and united nationalist movement to stand with them. We believe that our move to make it easier for grass-roots nationalists to work together will be an important step to bringing that powerful and united movement one step closer. 

Tags: BNP, EDL, Grooming, Muslim, Paedophile, The, and, changing:, is, landscape

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I wish that I had a better understanding of the English political system, but I understand it enough to see this as great news, both for the EDL and the English people. Hopefully the mood will spread to the continent as well.

Nick Griffin is a racist, a homophobe and the most likely candidate to be an agent of the state.  He personally bears more responsibility than anyone else in this country for ensuring that nationalism and national identity were destroyed

The EDL’s very effective internet presence, sophisticated personalised clothing operation and the supply of coaches that were critical to getting it off the ground, were all financed not out of the pockets of its overwhelmingly working class grass-roots, but by a tight-knit group of wealthy businessmen. Such people don’t ‘invest’ in something like the English Defence League by accident.

AFAIK this is simply wrong factually.  Unless Alan Lake (the billionaire who UAF got sacked from a job where he earned less than a MP) wants to volunteer that he subsidised all these coaches, I know from jews involved in EDL that they were royally pissed off that rich right-wing jews would not finance EDL.  Here we see Griffin putting forward the same views as UAF (which is probably controlled by people working for MI5).  

Israeli flags have no more place on street demonstrations in Britain than Palestinian ones. That kind of thing only helps to further radicalise young Muslims and to add to their hostility to all things British.

Once more, he is acting as a mouth-piece for UAF propaganda.  He is also possibly speaking indirectly to those anti-jewis/anti-israeli groups who split off from EDL to form NWI/NEI.  He's welcome to them - plenty of them made no bones about their support for BNP.

On the first point, after several major media ´plugs´ for, and several major smears against, the EDL, the fact is that it has carved out a loose mass following among a whole new generation of young working and middle class Brits. Scores of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of them have developed a basic political and ethnic awareness thanks to the existence and activities of the EDL and its Scottish and Welsh sub-sections.

And yet this goes counter to everything that Tommy has said about "Englishness": if you are born in this country, and you love this country, you are English. It doesn't matter what the colour of your skin is.  It is patriotism, it is nativism, it is nothing like Griffin's "ethnic awareness".  I've seen uncountable EDL people support Tommy on this.

Ah.  Here we go.  Kerching.  Griffin wants the racists in NWI/NEI to join the BNP.

With the EDL nationally now riven by factionalism and dissent, however, there is a serious risk that this following, influence and energy will go to waste. If the EDL recovers its cohesion, all well and good, we´ll be pleased to see that good work continuing. But if it doesn´t, we cannot afford to turn our backs on this reservoir of new awareness among the young generation.

Just as I thought.

Further, the police launched an outrageous mass arrest of EDL members at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day, as a blatantly obvious way of placating the Muslim community following the ban on Muslims Against Crusades. This event showed clearly why the State had allowed the EDL to take off: They wanted a plausible opportunity to say to Muslims "look at this, we´re not just picking on Muslim extremists, we´ve roughed up that nasty English Defence League as well."

Knowing the group who were arrested at the Cenotaph, they would have killed Griffin if he had been there.  They'd probably do the time, thinking they'd served their country.  Incidentally, I escaped arrest that day because I went to the Albert Hall were I'd been told EDL would be.  Instead I came across the trail of slime left by Griffin, and I met his followers.  And I have never seen such a nasty bunch of people.  I asked several fringe groups of them if the EDL were going to be there that day, and I might as well have asked them if the jews and blacks were going to be there that day.

Taken as a whole, and whatever the organisation says, it is now in spirit essentially the ethno-nationalist creation that its name always implied. Of course, that doesn´t mean that it´s hostile to integrated Sikhs or West Indians, but nor are we.

Here we go again.  In what way is the EDL comparable to "ethno-nationalist" organisations like the IRA or ETA?  It's like Griffin has never seen any of the hundreds of TV interviews that Tommy has done.  As Tommy said even last week: when my black friends were not allowed into a BNP meeting, we didn't go in.  The BNP may well be haemorraging supporters, which is why Griffin is trying un-proscribe it.

Yes, it has a few gay members Big deal, so has the British National Party. The EDL leadership have played the PC card by flaunting this fact with ridiculous talk of a ´Gay Division´. We prefer to leave it in the closet, because private sexuality

It isn't the Gay Division that flaunted itself.  It was Tommy (and various other leaders) who flaunted the Gay Division, Jewish Division and Sikh Division in order to precisely distinguish between the racist, homophobic BNP and the EDL.

I'd say it is now time for Tommy to proscribe BNP membership.  Tell EDL supporters, if you want to overtly support a party, then choose a respectable one, not those racist scumbags.  This is Griffin's swansong.  He is over.  Thirty years of dirty work by MI5 has failed.


BTW, it's not that I'm disputing that the landscape is changing.  Just that Griffin saying this is a tiny ripple of what has been going on for 6 months or so - marked by Nick Lowles leaving Searchlight, and preceded by the ever-dwindling numbers of UAF demonstrators against EDL protests.

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/the-demise-of-the-a...

http://4freedoms.ning.com/xn/detail/3766518:Comment:96677

It is amazing to think that the rag-taggle bunch of people in EDL have managed to break up a political stasis that has existed for about 40 years.  Those involved should be really proud of what they achieved.  Griffin is a johnny-come-lately to all of these tectonic shifts.  And his endorsement of the EDL is a kiss of death.  I hope EDL have the sense to proscribe the BNP, thus neutralising Griffin's act of sabotage.

Sounds like Griffin is just trying to cash in on the success of the EDL, or smear them by association with his failing rump, and the same old anti-zionism is still there.

Durotrigan has a few interesting things to say on his blog ; http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2012/02/beyond-fringe-building-credi...

Durotrigan doesn't get it either.  S/he obsesses about ethno-nationalism.  That bird ain't gonna fly.  It is a form of racism.  I doubt the Scottish nationalists are obsessed with the indigenous Scots as a race distinct from the English.  Civic nationalism is the only thing that will work.  We are where we are.

But I do agree with him/her about the BFP's 20 point programme.  It is an incoherent mess, and it sounds far too much like the old BNP.  They should have a clean break on policies.  I can't believe that bringing back smoking to pubs is one of the 20 most pressing issues facing this country.  

After almost a year in existence, BFP meetings with figures in the counter-jihad movement led to its relaunch under the chairmanship of Paul Weston last November, with caretaker leader Peter Mullins standing down. This shift however seems to have created an even greater ideological muddle, with the BFP issuing a seemingly random melange of ‘policies’ in its 20 Point Programme, a number of which were mutually incompatible. In addition, this ‘programme’ appeared to be an unnatural graft onto underlying BFP policies, and must therefore be assumed to have sprung from the imagination of the new Chairman. Owing to Weston’s personal preoccupation with Islamism and Islamisation, the BFP has fallen into the trap of fixating upon Islam, with little attention being paid to other policy issues. Whilst this focus has lent itself to a natural yet awkward tactical tie-up with the EDL, such a narrow focus will not yield general electoral success.

Where s/he's wrong is in the connection with fighting islam.  That is the very defintion of freedom versus slavery.  The BFP needs policies that are all about freedom.  They are going to be hugely embarrassed if right before the next election Geert Wilders says he wants nothing to do with them.

Joe,

Why don't you go to the British Freedom Party meeting on Saturday in London? You would give some good input into policy formation - and unlike most other parties, they would listen to you.

I'm going, and it looks like Kinana is too, so you would know some people there!

Derius, I wasn't planning to go, but it doesn't look like it is going to take place anyway.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/03/unite-against-freedom.html

I don't have any confidence in the electoral system in Britain.  When I had the opportunity I forcefully expressed my opposition to the idea of EDL joining with any political party, and I pointed out that if it did this it should be a party with a manifesto modeled on that of the PVV.

EDL has achieve major victories in the past 2 years.  Being involved in party politics would be a road to nowhere.  The LibDems demonstrated they truly are part of LibLabCon when they got their first opportunity in 2 generations to have the electoral system changed, and they blew it.  They've proven conclusively now they have no interest in electoral reform.

The events set in motion by LibLabCon 50 years ago will work themselves out by the backroom deals that run Britain, or they will work themselves out on the streets with riots and maybe civil war.  Probably both and neither.

As the anarchists say "if voting changed anything, they'd abolish it".

Excellent analysis Joe, very insightful.  Yes, he's trying to pick up any disaffected members of the EDL who never quite got its liberal agenda.

I don't quite agree with what you say on the MI5 conspiracy theory tho ... I mean, seeing how useless the state is at keeping any kind of secret at all, how could this stay under wraps for 30 years?  Anyway, its not a key point.

Joe said:

Nick Griffin is a racist, a homophobe and the most likely candidate to be an agent of the state.  He personally bears more responsibility than anyone else in this country for ensuring that nationalism and national identity were destroyed

The EDL’s very effective internet presence, sophisticated personalised clothing operation and the supply of coaches that were critical to getting it off the ground, were all financed not out of the pockets of its overwhelmingly working class grass-roots, but by a tight-knit group of wealthy businessmen. Such people don’t ‘invest’ in something like the English Defence League by accident. ...

I love that phrase: "We are where we are" or "It is what it is".  

Its a meaningless tautology that means so much :-)

I first heard it from Worf's girlfriend Kehylar in Start Trek Next Generation.  They make love then Worf thinks that they are a couple saying "But we had sex together!".  She rejects his impertinence and says something like "It was what it was: wild and beautiful and wonderful in that moment - but we are not in a relationship".

Sorry, I digress :-))

Joe said:

Durotrigan doesn't get it either.  S/he obsesses about ethno-nationalism.  That bird ain't gonna fly.  It is a form of racism.  I doubt the Scottish nationalists are obsessed with the indigenous Scots as a race distinct from the English.  Civic nationalism is the only thing that will work.  We are where we are.

There is incontrovertible evidence that all 3 political parties act as one, and do so in a blatant attempt to thwart democracy.  Their activities are so successful in this area, that they can openly talk about it in "The Independent", just three weeks before a general election, an nobody picks up on it.  In fact, the people behind the BFP and Paul Weston were not even aware of this electoral manipulation.  That they have such political naivety does not give me hope.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/main-parties-accused-...

You think the secret services are useless because they do not prosecute muslims for sedition.  I think that the seditious muslims are part of a bigger plan.  I'm constantly surprised that the work of this man is so unknown amongst those of us who cannot believe what we are witnessing.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0715635832

His argument is that the people who did the bombings were agents of the state.  And that such muslim extremists have been welcomed in Britain in the last 30 years because they provided a secret army that the state could use to send off to various conflicts to bring about change that the state could not bring about by openly sending its own forces.  His book was heavily censored by the British government.  It appears copies of it that were printed elsewhere in the world were also heavily censored. The state would not be censoring such things if the information contained therein was not truthful (that's not to say it is entirely truthful, nor to say that it is the whole story). Ahmed leaves the pages blank so that it is clear just how much information the state wants kept from us.

Once one considers the various reasons why the state wanted mass immigration and non-assimilation by muslims, one gets a different perspective.  That's not to say that perspective is the entire story, but it is a different perspective on the known facts and events.  But it is incontrovertible that the British government knew in the 1950s and 1960s what islam was like, having just presided over the bloody partition between India and Pakistan, and having witnessed the various assassinations, uprisings and propaganda acts by muslims in India.  They knew all this, but still invited muslims here, and didn't even bother to distinguish until the last decade between "extremists" and "moderates", even though they'd dealt with such "extremists" for decades in India in the first half of the 20th century.

One can believe that those in charge arrogantly thought our country could assimilate muslims, when the experience in India had shown that to be impossible (throughout British control of India, muslims refused to send their children to western schools where they would learn English, with the consequence that the Indian Civil Service was run almost entirely by hindus).  Or one can believe that they knew full well that muslims would not assimilate, and that is what they wanted.  At one level of the state, people could operate with one of those views, at another level the people could operate with a different view.

Always attributing incompetence to malice will lead to madness.  Never attributing incompetence to malice will lead to gullibility.

You only know the secrets that they want you to know.  They slap 30 year orders on the most trivial of things.  And that information does not come out for 30 years.  Anyone who even applies for a low-level Civil Service job is made to sign the Official Secrets Act.  There are millions of people in Britain who can be punished for contravening that agreement.

Believing that you know most of the state's secrets is like believing you can always tell that someone is a transsexual.  One doesn't know the measure of one's own lack of knowledge.

Alan Lake said:

I don't quite agree with what you say on the MI5 conspiracy theory tho ... I mean, seeing how useless the state is at keeping any kind of secret at all, how could this stay under wraps for 30 years?  Anyway, its not a key point.

Here is some further evidence that the landscape is changing, only this time in an American context.

http://www.people-press.org/2010/08/19/section-3-religion-and-the-2...

This shows the average gains of the Republican Party in the US over the past 3 years.  13 point movement amongst (mostly non-religious) American jews, switching support from Democrats to Republicans.

The evidence that the American Democratic Party is suffering a massive movement of jews to the Republican Party for 2011: http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&...

It looks like 45% of American jews now support the Republicans. It was 20% who supported the Republicans in 2008.

Jews in London have made it clear they are not supporting the Labour Party.

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