Trial of the killers of Lee Rigby - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T14:31:51Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/trial-of-the-killers-of-lee-rigby?groupUrl=military&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A141696&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A114884&feed=yes&xn_auth=noStupid islam-appeasing non-eb…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-02-27:3766518:Comment:1453932014-02-27T16:30:00.972ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Stupid islam-appeasing non-ebrity tries to suck up to islam, and comes off like a racist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/27/louise-mensch-twitter_n_4864507.html?utm_hp_ref=uk" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/27/louise-mensch-twitter_n_4864507.html?utm_hp_ref=uk</a></p>
<p>Stupid islam-appeasing non-ebrity tries to suck up to islam, and comes off like a racist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/27/louise-mensch-twitter_n_4864507.html?utm_hp_ref=uk" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/27/louise-mensch-twitter_n_4864507.html?utm_hp_ref=uk</a></p> For the term of his natural l…tag:4freedoms.com,2014-02-26:3766518:Comment:1454442014-02-26T21:20:31.293ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
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<div id="_atssh"><p>Esmerelda Weatherwax<br></br> Wednesday, 26 February 2014</p>
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<p>To the Old Bailey, to stand by the Central Criminal Court to await the sentencing of Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, convicted of the murderer of Fusilier Lee Rigby in May last year. Since the abolition of the death penalty…</p>
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<div id="_atssh"><p>Esmerelda Weatherwax<br/> Wednesday, 26 February 2014</p>
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<p>To the Old Bailey, to stand by the Central Criminal Court to await the sentencing of Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, convicted of the murderer of Fusilier Lee Rigby in May last year. Since the abolition of the death penalty for murder in England and Wales in 1965 conviction of murder carries a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment. However, hopeful that any convict can show remorse and be rehabilitated, many 'lifers' can be and are eligible for parole after a sufficient number of years. So on sentencing the Judge will declare how many years they should serve before parole (assuming they do show remorse and a desire to reform) can be considered. In some notorious cases a 'whole life' tariff has been imposed; this sentence has been challenged recently as against a convicted prisoners human rights. Sentencing of Lee Rigby's murderers was delayed while the Court of Appeal considered several challenges to the imposition of a whole life tariff. The court declared them lawful in January. </p>
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<p>The EDL, with members of the Casuals and March for England gathered in good time.</p>
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<p>The BNP were there first and later the delegation for Britain First arrived. Members of SEA were also in attendance. The EDL, Casuals and MfE, mindful of the seriousness of the occasion were mainly silent, in the area set aside for us, or in small groups about the street. The Rigby family had made it known that pictures of the murderers were particualrly distressing for the family; therefore pictures of Fusilier Rigby himself in uniform were much in evidence.</p>
<p>By contrast the BNP were very vocal and focused on their campaign to reintroduce the death penalty, emphasising the point by use of two portable gallows. </p>
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<p>Adebolajo and Adebowale identified Lee Rigby as a soldier and suitable victim in part by his Help for Heroes sweatshirt. In the weeks after many people bought them to support the charity and as an act of solidarity.</p>
<p>It was cold, but dry for once. Sentencing was due to take place at 2pm but we heard that it was to be put back until 4.30pm. We heard that the lawyers for Adebowale the younger of the two males, were arguing that he should not face a whole life term as his youth (age 22) means that he has a greater prospect of rehabilitation. </p>
<p>Britain First and the BNP decided to take up a position outside the main entrance and eventually traffic could no longer pass so the police shut the road. The cement mixer lorry had to reverse out - very impressive!</p>
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<p>While I find the BNP's position on skin colour and 'race' abhorrent I did find myself in agreement with their argument that this crime should have been charged as treason. Of course since 1998 Treason no longer carries the death penalty either. </p>
<p>As time went on members of the public, and city workers of all occupations joined the waiting crowd. All afternoon I had heard passers by or customers in the cafe say to each other 'They should never leave prison' or 'They should hang'. <br/>Anxious court officials and barristers were observing the demonstration from the windows above the main entrance. It will do them, and the policy makers and members of the governing classes no harm whatsoever to see the strength of public opinion on this.</p>
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<p>We then heard that the sentencing had been put back again until 4.50pm. Some were following the news live updates via mobile devices, others were receiving messages from family at home via TV news.</p>
<p>We heard that Adebolajo and Adebowale had entered the court shouting Allah Akbar. That they struggled with the dock officers and that Adebolajo called the judge, Mr Justice Sweeney a liar and declared that the UK and the US would never be safe. They were taken down to the cells from where their shouts could still be heard in the courtroom, where the proceedings continued in their absence.</p>
<p>A cheer went up when we heard that Michael Adebolajo had been sentenced to life imprisonment, for his whole life, and Michael Adebowale to life imprisonment to serve a minimum of 45 years. He will be aged 67 before he could be considered for parole. </p>
<p>We decided to make our way quietly home. As I made my way into Newgate Street the police were clearing the pavements and stopping the traffic so that the two prisoners could leave the court to be taken back to prison. From a nearby shop I was able to observe two secure vans with police escort leaving the vehicle security gate. </p>
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<p>Extracts from the Judge's <a href="http://news.sky.com/story/1217714/lee-rigby-murderers-fight-with-guards" target="_blank">sentencing remarks </a></p>
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<p>Your sickening and pitiless conduct was in stark contrast to the compassion and bravery shown by the various women at the scene who tended to Lee Rigby's body and who challenged what you had done and said.</p>
<p>...neither of you, I am sure, has any real insight into the enormity of what you did, nor any genuine remorse for it either - only regret that you did not succeed in your plan to be shot dead, which has resulted in you being brought to justice before the courts.</p>
<p>Equally you, Adebolajo, who I have observed at length, have (I am sure) no real prospect of rehabilitation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/52048/For-the-term-of-his-natural-life" target="_blank">http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/52048/For-the-term-of-his-natural-life</a></p>
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<h1>Sentencing Day for Killers of Lee Rigby</h1>
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<h1>Sentencing Day for Killers of Lee Rigby</h1>
<p><span class="fsm fwn fcg">20 February 2014</span></p>
<p><span class="fsm fwn fcg">The Old Bailey</span><span>, </span><span class="fsm fwn fcg">EC4M 7EH London, United Kingdom</span></p> So, it appears that devout, "…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-23:3766518:Comment:1425622013-12-23T15:05:45.002ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>So, it appears that devout, "honourable" jihadi Mujahid Abu Hamza was not above trying to force a girl he'd raped into his car, 2 days before he killed Lee Rigby.…</p>
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<p>So, it appears that devout, "honourable" jihadi Mujahid Abu Hamza was not above trying to force a girl he'd raped into his car, 2 days before he killed Lee Rigby.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527789/Lee-Rigbys-killer-raped-I-14-Young-mother-tells-sex-attack-ordeal-hands-teenaged-Michael-Adebolajo.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527789/Lee-Rigbys-killer-raped-I-14-Young-mother-tells-sex-attack-ordeal-hands-teenaged-Michael-Adebolajo.html</a></p>
<p>What could explain such behaviour from this deeply religious man? Was it that following his martyrdom, Allah would forgive him for raping a kuffar?</p> In all the reporting of the t…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-21:3766518:Comment:1422772013-12-21T14:09:00.107ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>In all the reporting of the trial, all the insistence that islam had nothing to do with it, I don't remember ever hearing about this hand-written note. Isn't that astonishing? <strong>Consider that journalists poured over the 1300 pages of Breivik's manifesto, and condemned those referred to therein. Here is just 1 page written by the killers, and no journalists have discussed its contents, nor condemned islam by association.…</strong></p>
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<p>In all the reporting of the trial, all the insistence that islam had nothing to do with it, I don't remember ever hearing about this hand-written note. Isn't that astonishing? <strong>Consider that journalists poured over the 1300 pages of Breivik's manifesto, and condemned those referred to therein. Here is just 1 page written by the killers, and no journalists have discussed its contents, nor condemned islam by association.</strong></p>
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<blockquote><p>Michael Adebowale and Michael Adebolajo were found guilty of murder yesterday at the Old Bailey for the killing of Fusilier Lee Rigby last May in Woolwich. Bloodstained notes written by Michael Adebolajo were used as evidence in the trial. The references to the Koran at the bottom of the notes include numerous exhortations to be obedient, to fight in the way of Allah, to “Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you” (9:123), and to “fight the minions of the devil” (4:76). They also include a verse directed specifically against Christians (9:31).</p>
<p>Nick of <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://inthefrozennorth.wordpress.com/">The Frozen North</a> has taken the trouble to dig out all the cited verses. He includes this note:</p>
<p>Adebolajo is reported to have given a passerby a <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/lee-rigby-killers-guilty-new-pictures-emerge-1387464617-slideshow/a-blood-stained-note-which-adebolajo-passed-to-a-bystander-after-the-killing-the-ranting-letter-photo-1387463675067.html">handwritten note</a> at the scene of the crime. You’ll notice the references at the end of the note to verses in the Koran.</p>
<p>The verses are reproduced them below in the order Adebolajo, a.k.a. Mujahid Abu Hamza, has them at the bottom of his “manifesto” (I have used Marmaduke Pickthall’s translation which is, I believe, in the public domain and is freely available on the internet).</p>
<p>The Koranic verses cited by Michael Adebolajo:</p>
<p><strong>Group 1:</strong> 4:69-76, 4:84, 9:41.</p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top">69</td>
<td valign="top">Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they!</td>
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<td valign="top">That is bounty from Allah, and Allah sufficeth as Knower.</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">71</td>
<td valign="top">O ye who believe! Take your precautions, then advance the proven ones, or advance all together.</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">72</td>
<td valign="top">Lo! among you there is he who loitereth; and if disaster overtook you, he would say: Allah hath been gracious unto me since I was not present with them.</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">73</td>
<td valign="top">And if a bounty from Allah befell you, he would surely cry, as if there had been no love between you and him: Oh, would that I had been with them, then should I have achieved a great success!</td>
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<td valign="top">Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">75</td>
<td valign="top">How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah and of the feeble among men and of the women and the children who are crying: Our Lord! Bring us forth from out this town of which the people are oppressors! Oh, give us from thy presence some protecting friend! Oh, give us from Thy presence some defender!</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">76</td>
<td valign="top">Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil’s strategy is ever weak. (4:69-76)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">84</td>
<td valign="top">So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah Thou art not taxed (with the responsibility for anyone) except thyself – and urge on the believers. Peradventure Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment. (4:84)</td>
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<td valign="top">Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. (9:41)</td>
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<p><strong>Group 2.</strong> 9:24, 9:39, 9:46, 9:87, 9:93</p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top">24</td>
<td valign="top">Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:24)</td>
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<td valign="top">If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things. (9:39)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">46</td>
<td valign="top">And if they had wished to go forth they would assuredly have made ready some equipment, but Allah was averse to their being sent forth and held them back and it was said (unto them): Sit ye with the sedentary! (9:46)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">87</td>
<td valign="top">They are content that they should be with the useless and their hearts are sealed, so that they apprehend not. (9:87)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">93</td>
<td valign="top">The road (of blame) is only against those who ask for leave of thee (to stay at home) when they are rich. They are content to be with the useless. Allah hath sealed their hearts so that they know not. (9:93)</td>
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<p><strong>Group 3.</strong> 9:67, 3:173, 47:20, 9:86, 9:31, 9:56-57, 8:5-6, 2:170</p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top">67</td>
<td valign="top">The hypocrites, both men and women, proceed one from another. They enjoin the wrong, and they forbid the right, and they withhold their hands (from spending for the cause of Allah). They forget Allah, so He hath forgotten them. Lo! the hypocrites, they are the transgressors. (9:67)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">173</td>
<td valign="top">Those unto whom men said: Lo! the people have gathered against you, therefor fear them. (The threat of danger) but increased the faith of them and they cried: Allah is Sufficient for us! Most Excellent is He in Whom we trust! (3:173)</td>
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<td valign="top">And those who believe say: If only a surah were revealed! But when a decisive surah is revealed and war is mentioned therein, thou seest those in whose hearts is a disease looking at thee with the look of men fainting unto death. Therefor woe unto them! (47:20)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">86</td>
<td valign="top">And when a surah is revealed (which saith): Believe in Allah and strive along with His messenger, the men of wealth among them still ask leave of thee and say: Suffer us to be with those who sit (at home). (9:86)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">31</td>
<td valign="top">They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)! (9:31)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">56</td>
<td valign="top">And they swear by Allah that they are in truth of you, when they are not of you, but they are folk who are afraid.</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">57</td>
<td valign="top">Had they but found a refuge, or caverns, or a place to enter, they surely had resorted thither swift as runaways. (9:56-57)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">5</td>
<td valign="top">Even as thy Lord caused thee (Muhammad) to go forth from thy home with the Truth, and lo! a party of the believers were averse (to it).</td>
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<td valign="top">Disputing with thee of the Truth after it had been made manifest, as if they were being driven to death visible. (8:5-6)</td>
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<tr><td valign="top">170</td>
<td valign="top">And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no guidance? (2:170)</td>
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<p><strong>Group 4.</strong> 3:160, 9:119, 9:123</p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top">160</td>
<td valign="top">If Allah is your helper none can overcome you, and if He withdraw His help from you, who is there who can help you after Him? In Allah let believers put their trust. (3:160)</td>
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<td valign="top">O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful. (9:119)</td>
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<td valign="top">O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)</td>
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<p><strong>Group 5.</strong> 9:38, 2:216, 3:142</p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top">38</td>
<td valign="top">O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you: Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in the Hereafter? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter. (9:38)</td>
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<td valign="top">Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (2:216)</td>
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<td valign="top">Or deemed ye that ye would enter paradise while yet Allah knoweth not those of you who really strive, nor knoweth those (of you) who are steadfast? (3:142)</td>
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</blockquote> I caught 20 mins of an ITV "d…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-20:3766518:Comment:1422682013-12-20T00:17:21.959ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>I caught 20 mins of an ITV "documentary" tonight on "the untold story". After 5 mins on Anjem Choudary and Omar Bakri Mohammed, then a couple of minutes on how the police/MI5/immigration agencies failed to notice Mujahid Abu Hamza going to Kenya to join Al Shabaab in 2010, the program spent all the rest of the time travelling around Kenya and Somalia.<br></br><br></br>Nothing about islam. Nothing about Adebelajo saying he was copying Mohammed. That was the untold elephant in the…</p>
<p>I caught 20 mins of an ITV "documentary" tonight on "the untold story". After 5 mins on Anjem Choudary and Omar Bakri Mohammed, then a couple of minutes on how the police/MI5/immigration agencies failed to notice Mujahid Abu Hamza going to Kenya to join Al Shabaab in 2010, the program spent all the rest of the time travelling around Kenya and Somalia.<br/><br/>Nothing about islam. Nothing about Adebelajo saying he was copying Mohammed. That was the untold elephant in the room.</p>
<p>Instead they had a journalist and entire TV crew travelling round Kenya and Somalia, when it was clear that the explanation had to precede Adebelajo/Abu Hamza getting on a plane to Kenya.</p>
<p>I gave up after 20 mins.</p>
<p><cite>paul collings said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> The trial is over the verdic…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-19:3766518:Comment:1425162013-12-19T17:20:47.545Zpaul collingshttp://4freedoms.com/profile/paulcollings
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<p>The trial is over the verdict is in. As you would expect its a guilty verdict.</p>
<p>The media seem to be pushing the idea that because he's been found guilty of murder, the jury have rejected the idea that the crime was not commited in the name of Islam.</p>
<p>So how are they going to spin the motive?</p>
<p>The media I believe will blame it on British foreign policy, or at least allow the talk of motive to be anything other than Islam.</p>
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<p>The trial is over the verdict is in. As you would expect its a guilty verdict.</p>
<p>The media seem to be pushing the idea that because he's been found guilty of murder, the jury have rejected the idea that the crime was not commited in the name of Islam.</p>
<p>So how are they going to spin the motive?</p>
<p>The media I believe will blame it on British foreign policy, or at least allow the talk of motive to be anything other than Islam.</p>
<p> </p> 'In his closing speech, prose…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-18:3766518:Comment:1425062013-12-18T23:43:13.552ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p>'In his closing speech, prosecutor Richard Whittam QC said <strong>Islam was not on trial and told the jury</strong>: "The action of these two men acting together as they did, crashing their car into and breaking the back of Lee Rigby and then killing him is indefensible in the law of this country.</p>
<p>"Killing to make a political point, to frighten the public or to put pressure on the Government or as an expression of anger is murder."</p>
<p>He added: "It remains murder whether the…</p>
<p>'In his closing speech, prosecutor Richard Whittam QC said <strong>Islam was not on trial and told the jury</strong>: "The action of these two men acting together as they did, crashing their car into and breaking the back of Lee Rigby and then killing him is indefensible in the law of this country.</p>
<p>"Killing to make a political point, to frighten the public or to put pressure on the Government or as an expression of anger is murder."</p>
<p>He added: "It remains murder whether the Government in question is a good one, bad one or a dreadful one. We submit to you, it is clearly murder."</p>
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<p>I thought understanding 'motivation' was part of understanding the deed. For example, a person who sincerely believes that breaking and entering a burning building in order to save someone is not a crime then that person has a defense in law. And does not the charge of murder have different degrees attached to it based on mitigating circumstances some of which is related to motivation and 'sincerely held beliefs'?</p>
<p>I think the prosecutor does not want to talk about the elephant in the room. </p>
<p>The Judge cleared the way for the prosecutor strategy by declaring: </p>
<p><span>"I have ruled that nothing said by the first defendant and... his evidence - in short he was a soldier of Allah and was justified in doing what he did - amounts in law to a defence to this count [i.e.<span>count one.]</span>'</span></p> Since Nelson Mandela has die…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-10:3766518:Comment:1419742013-12-10T08:51:39.801Zpaul collingshttp://4freedoms.com/profile/paulcollings
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<p>Since Nelson Mandela has died this story is being pushed to one side.</p>
<p>I'm watching the Nelson Mandela memorial at the moment. Seeing how many world leaders are jumping on the band wagon. Its not even his funeral which I suppose they'll all return for.</p>
<p>All those world leaders hob knobbing with people like Mugabe. Gadaffi would have loved it. </p>
<p>The killing of Lee Rigby was a horrific crime, yet people would rather turn their attention to the Razzmatazz of Mandela's…</p>
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<p>Since Nelson Mandela has died this story is being pushed to one side.</p>
<p>I'm watching the Nelson Mandela memorial at the moment. Seeing how many world leaders are jumping on the band wagon. Its not even his funeral which I suppose they'll all return for.</p>
<p>All those world leaders hob knobbing with people like Mugabe. Gadaffi would have loved it. </p>
<p>The killing of Lee Rigby was a horrific crime, yet people would rather turn their attention to the Razzmatazz of Mandela's death. Or should I say the Media have found the perfect distraction. </p> That's why all terrorists sho…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-10:3766518:Comment:1419722013-12-10T08:05:33.678ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>That's why all terrorists should be executed immediately after conviction. To be sure, retaliatory murders could then be instigated by the Islamic fascists, but those murders would be weak in drama and political impact.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Joe said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/trial-of-the-killers-of-lee-rigby?groupUrl=military&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A142123&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A114884#3766518Comment142115"><p>"As an…</p>
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<p>That's why all terrorists should be executed immediately after conviction. To be sure, retaliatory murders could then be instigated by the Islamic fascists, but those murders would be weak in drama and political impact.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joe said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/trial-of-the-killers-of-lee-rigby?groupUrl=military&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A142123&xg_source=activity&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A114884#3766518Comment142115"><p>"As an enemy soldier, I believe I should be ransomed to my mujahid brothers," he told a jury at the Old Bailey on Monday.</p>
<p>"Or I should be set free, or I should be killed."</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/09/michael-adebolajo-free-me-or-kill-me_n_4412054.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/09/michael-adebolajo-free-m...</a></p>
<p>We know what the future holds. A British government will release him in exchange for hostages that muslims will take elsewhere. ...</p>
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