UK: 2 Former soldiers jailed for arson attack on mosque - Channel 4 - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T22:11:12Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/uk-2-former-soldiers-jailed-for-arson-attack-on-mosque-channel-4?groupUrl=military&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A142531&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A114884&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood point Paul, and it backs…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-22:3766518:Comment:1424652013-12-22T05:53:03.911ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Good point Paul, and it backs up Joe's point about the firebombing, far from being a 'professional grenade throwing' type gesture, as stated in a partisan way by the so-called unbiased judge - was actually a hasty act, done more as a gesture, to make a statement, than as an attempt to kill. The soldiers would know that there are multiple fire escapes, even assuming that one petrol bomb manages to set the door alight. </p>
<p>I wonder as well if they actually knew there was a meeting of the…</p>
<p>Good point Paul, and it backs up Joe's point about the firebombing, far from being a 'professional grenade throwing' type gesture, as stated in a partisan way by the so-called unbiased judge - was actually a hasty act, done more as a gesture, to make a statement, than as an attempt to kill. The soldiers would know that there are multiple fire escapes, even assuming that one petrol bomb manages to set the door alight. </p>
<p>I wonder as well if they actually knew there was a meeting of the supremacists going on inside their political headquarters (mosque) at that time? Compared to mass bombing on the underground (where there is clearly no escape), and in response to Lee Rigby's Islamic inspired execution, this response pales into insignificance. But that won't stop Tell Mama shrieking about it till our eardrums burst.</p> In the report it says ,,, 'T…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-21:3766518:Comment:1425312013-12-21T11:35:32.534Zpaul collingshttp://4freedoms.com/profile/paulcollings
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<p>In the report it says ,,, 'Terrified worshippers were trapped inside but managed to extinguish the flames coming under the door'.</p>
<p>Why were they trapped in side? where was the fire escape? If it was the fire escape door that was fire bombed why didn't they walk out the front door.</p>
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<p>This report makes it seem that the worshippers were lucky not to have been burned alive. I'm sure if it complied with all the regulations they would have been in very little trouble…</p>
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<p>In the report it says ,,, 'Terrified worshippers were trapped inside but managed to extinguish the flames coming under the door'.</p>
<p>Why were they trapped in side? where was the fire escape? If it was the fire escape door that was fire bombed why didn't they walk out the front door.</p>
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<p>This report makes it seem that the worshippers were lucky not to have been burned alive. I'm sure if it complied with all the regulations they would have been in very little trouble at all. Unless they all planned to be Martyrs.</p>
<p>We keep hearing about backlashes against the muslim community after the Lee Rigby Murder. I would say considering a British soldier was run down and his head half removed, there has been very little reaction. Compare the reaction by the muslim community over the Salmon Rushdie Boot, The Satanic Verses, what about the muslim reaction after the Motoons, and the accidental burning of korans. I think the British have been a model of restrain. </p>
<p></p> Shortly after Lee Rigby's mur…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-21:3766518:Comment:1424552013-12-21T10:41:46.669ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Shortly after Lee Rigby's murder, "the fascist expert" Matthew Goodwin wrote (optimistically) about how among the 40% who said civil war with muslims was "inevitable", that view was concentrated among those who were 30 to 70. His view is that the younger, more brainwashed generations, will not think like that. How does he think this brain-washing will continue when they have left school/university? I have had no more than 3 short conversations with my anti-racist, left-wing niece about…</p>
<p>Shortly after Lee Rigby's murder, "the fascist expert" Matthew Goodwin wrote (optimistically) about how among the 40% who said civil war with muslims was "inevitable", that view was concentrated among those who were 30 to 70. His view is that the younger, more brainwashed generations, will not think like that. How does he think this brain-washing will continue when they have left school/university? I have had no more than 3 short conversations with my anti-racist, left-wing niece about politics. The result of those 3 conversations is that her politics have been switched (she went from thinking EDL were a racist organisation to enthusiastically following Tommy Robinson on Twitter).</p>
<p>The Left live in fantasies. From 1989 to 2009, we had 20 years of muslims imposing islamic values on the west, including islamically-justified mass-murder by devout muslims, and nothing happened in Britain. No-one fought back.</p>
<p>But since Lee Rigby's death we've had an immigrant PhD student murder an elderly muslim and set off bombs, and we've had these ex-soldiers attempt to fire-bomb a mosque. It's very clear, that these were amateurish, half-serious measures. I cannot believe that these ex-soldiers really cared about being caught if they made these bombs out in the open, and threw them during daylight with police officers standing outside a mosque. What these men were clearly not serious about, was they were not serious about committing mass murder. "<span>One officer followed the man 300 metres back to Harness's house and the pair were arrested".</span> Breivik has shown what people can do if they are intent on committing mass murder. </p>
<p>More than £3.5bn per year is spent trying to police muslim terrorism (5% of the population). These two were caught by a plastic policeman plodding after them. </p>
<p>And once again, we see no connection between these ex-soldiers and EDL. It's an absolute certainty, that if these men had been to EDL demos, then that would have been all over the media. But Matthew Goodwin, "the fascist expert", makes a living off scaring people about the EDL, whilst all the time belittling the very real threat that England is going to become like Northern Ireland was.</p> So, 2 soldiers, who risked t…tag:4freedoms.com,2013-12-21:3766518:Comment:1423752013-12-21T05:38:03.170ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<li>So, 2 soldiers, who risked their lives for this country, given sentences of 6 years each, for retaliating against the beheading of one of their own</li>
<li>The third one, who just drove them there, also got 6 years</li>
<li>The firebomb didn't injure anyone</li>
<li>There were 2 PCSO officers guarding the mosque. Is there any other group which gets such ready protection? No, because no other group screams and shouts and protests so much, or uses violence to instill terror in its…</li>
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<li>So, 2 soldiers, who risked their lives for this country, given sentences of 6 years each, for retaliating against the beheading of one of their own</li>
<li>The third one, who just drove them there, also got 6 years</li>
<li>The firebomb didn't injure anyone</li>
<li>There were 2 PCSO officers guarding the mosque. Is there any other group which gets such ready protection? No, because no other group screams and shouts and protests so much, or uses violence to instill terror in its opponents, as Mohammed so clearly explained. You really start to think the government has some hidden agenda with the Muslim paedophiles and terrorists and jihadists. It really looks as if they are using them to subdue us.</li>
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<p>At the same time we also have the conviction of 9 men for 77 years for an extended period of rape and abuse against the young girls of Rochdale - and there's reputed to be another 30 men that didn't get charged. <br/><a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/muslim-pimping-grooming-gangs-the-times-survey?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A142428&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255" target="_blank">http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/muslim-pimping-grooming-...</a><br/>That sentence averages out at about 8.5 years per man, or 2.5 years more than the soldiers get for damaging a door - AFTER EXTREME PROVOCATION. There was no provocation from the underage girls for them to be raped and abused, unless you say the Quran instructed the men to do it because they were provocative Kafir offering themselves as sex slaves?</p>
<p>It is clear that the ruling elite of this country is determined to prostitute not only underage white girls, but also the soldiers of the armed forces. They will sacrifice any of the tolerant, quiet, submissive groups - like teenage girls and soldiers - as long as they can keep those oh-so-easily offended Muslims from rioting and lawfare.</p>
<p>At the same time we also have this litany of crime:</p>
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<p>One day the lid on this pot will explode, and people will make their rage felt against all those who've lied to them, all those who've covered up, and all those who've enforced the neo-racisim of pro-Islamic discrimination, for whatever reason.</p>