Fascism, Nazism and Socialism - collected articles - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T05:02:27Zhttp://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/why-national-socialists-nazis-are-socialists-not-patriots?groupUrl=argumentation&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A142741&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A1677&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe person burning the Koran…tag:4freedoms.com,2023-08-24:3766518:Comment:2793432023-08-24T23:26:35.723ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<blockquote>The person burning the Koran in Sweden was a refugee from Iraq, the burnings in Denmark and Norway were right-wingers.</blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the clarification, Philip. I don't expect we'll get this from the MSM!</p>
<blockquote>Only the far-right can save us</blockquote>
<p>I'm coming to the conclusion that in the end there will only be 3 ideologies in the world: Islam, Communism (International Socialism) and Fascism (National Socialism).</p>
<p>There seems to be a Darwinian…</p>
<blockquote>The person burning the Koran in Sweden was a refugee from Iraq, the burnings in Denmark and Norway were right-wingers.</blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the clarification, Philip. I don't expect we'll get this from the MSM!</p>
<blockquote>Only the far-right can save us</blockquote>
<p>I'm coming to the conclusion that in the end there will only be 3 ideologies in the world: Islam, Communism (International Socialism) and Fascism (National Socialism).</p>
<p>There seems to be a Darwinian "Survival of the Fittest" going on, and it's hard to see how the 'Open marketplace of ideas' (AKA Democracy), can win out.</p>
<p>It's just too easy, in it's modern variant, to infiltrate, hijack, and subvert.</p> tag:4freedoms.com,2023-08-24:3766518:Comment:2789352023-08-24T23:25:56.656ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<p>Socialists and Communists think that when you say Nazism is type of socialism, that you are making it up in order to taint their ideology. But it's not made up, it actually is. TikHistory explains this carefully. </p>
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<p>Socialists and Communists think that when you say Nazism is type of socialism, that you are making it up in order to taint their ideology. But it's not made up, it actually is. TikHistory explains this carefully. </p>
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</p> tag:4freedoms.com,2023-04-17:3766518:Comment:2780202023-04-17T20:52:13.322ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bvm8I1mnucM?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> I agree, very positive.
The…tag:4freedoms.com,2020-09-20:3766518:Comment:2085182020-09-20T13:40:17.142ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>I agree, very positive. </p>
<p>The idea needs careful work. It is correct that the term 'National Socialism' runs the risk of being elided to 'Nationalism' and getting that banned as well. Obviously the labels on their own aren't enough; there needs to be a careful set of definitions and qualifying characteristics to enable the rogue ideologies at either end of the spectrum to be correctly identifed.</p>
<p>An equally big difficulty will be with the Sorites paradox / slippery slope type…</p>
<p>I agree, very positive. </p>
<p>The idea needs careful work. It is correct that the term 'National Socialism' runs the risk of being elided to 'Nationalism' and getting that banned as well. Obviously the labels on their own aren't enough; there needs to be a careful set of definitions and qualifying characteristics to enable the rogue ideologies at either end of the spectrum to be correctly identifed.</p>
<p>An equally big difficulty will be with the Sorites paradox / slippery slope type problem - deciding exactly where to draw the line. But for that, we have Edge Theory.</p>
<p>It is uplifting and refreshing to finally see a mainstream politician tackling the issue head on. As Joe said, standard Conservatism only ever slows the growth of Socialism, it never 'takes the figth to the enemy' of its own accord.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joe said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://4freedoms.com/forum/topics/why-national-socialists-nazis-are-socialists-not-patriots?groupUrl=argumentation&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A208516&xg_source=activity&xg_raw_resources=1&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A1677#3766518Comment208514"><p>Here's a very positive step, one of the few I can recollect in the past decade.</p>
<p>In Brasil, the President's son is putting forward a bill (based on a law in Ukraine) to outlaw Communism and National Socialism.</p>
<p>This is what should have been done in the 1920s, 1950s or 1980s at the latest. As I was watching this I was reminded of Hayek's 1961 statement that Conservatism is slow motion socialism as it has no project to destroy socialism, whilst the latter is founded on the destruction of the existing order. Later on in the video Bolsanaro refers to "spontaneous orders", a key phrase from Hayek.</p>
</blockquote> How far do you trust Bolsonar…tag:4freedoms.com,2020-09-18:3766518:Comment:2085162020-09-18T12:44:31.060ZAntonyhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Antony
<p>How far do you trust Bolsonaro etc ? - the definition of "National Socialism" could be used to cover any form of patriotism/nationalism that does not want to remain in serfdom to either aristocracy or the global banking elite.</p>
<p>How far do you trust Bolsonaro etc ? - the definition of "National Socialism" could be used to cover any form of patriotism/nationalism that does not want to remain in serfdom to either aristocracy or the global banking elite.</p> Here's a very positive step,…tag:4freedoms.com,2020-09-18:3766518:Comment:2085142020-09-18T10:25:57.022ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Here's a very positive step, one of the few I can recollect in the past decade.</p>
<p>In Brasil, the President's son is putting forward a bill (based on a law in Ukraine) to outlaw Communism and National Socialism.</p>
<p>This is what should have been done in the 1920s, 1950s or 1980s at the latest. As I was watching this I was reminded of Hayek's 1961 statement that Conservatism is slow motion socialism as it has no project to destroy socialism, whilst the latter is founded on the…</p>
<p>Here's a very positive step, one of the few I can recollect in the past decade.</p>
<p>In Brasil, the President's son is putting forward a bill (based on a law in Ukraine) to outlaw Communism and National Socialism.</p>
<p>This is what should have been done in the 1920s, 1950s or 1980s at the latest. As I was watching this I was reminded of Hayek's 1961 statement that Conservatism is slow motion socialism as it has no project to destroy socialism, whilst the latter is founded on the destruction of the existing order. Later on in the video Bolsanaro refers to "spontaneous orders", a key phrase from Hayek.</p>
<p>If TR ever resurrects EDL 2.0, I will advocate that one of the policies is that governments implement a law like this. Such a plank is useful for demonstrating opposition to Nazism, but also serves to weaken the Left, as the claim can be made "they oppose us because they are terrified that genocidal ideologies like theirs will be made illegal".</p>
<p>Also, once a country has banned ideologies intent on genocide and assassination of opponents/dissidents, it's a small move to argue that Islam should also be outlawed on these grounds.</p>
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</p> Ramzy Paul on how to combat a…tag:4freedoms.com,2016-01-03:3766518:Comment:1733722016-01-03T16:47:43.028ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
Ramzy Paul on how to combat accusations of 'fascism':<br/>
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Ramzy Paul on how to combat accusations of 'fascism':<br/>
<a href="http://youtu.be/Kfn-8B3USEg" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/Kfn-8B3USEg</a> Here are some others:
Islam h…tag:4freedoms.com,2015-11-23:3766518:Comment:1730202015-11-23T06:32:39.243ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>Here are some others:</p>
<blockquote><p>Islam has also been compared more precisely to Nazism or sometimes Fascism, usually used synonymously. For example, Carl Jung, the famous Swiss psychiatrist, was asked in the late 1930s in an interview if he had any views on what was likely to be the next step in religious development. He replied, referring to the rise of Nazism in Germany, "We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The…</p>
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<p>Here are some others:</p>
<blockquote><p>Islam has also been compared more precisely to Nazism or sometimes Fascism, usually used synonymously. For example, Carl Jung, the famous Swiss psychiatrist, was asked in the late 1930s in an interview if he had any views on what was likely to be the next step in religious development. He replied, referring to the rise of Nazism in Germany, "We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future."[10]</p>
<p>Karl Barth[11], also writing in the 1930s [12], reflected on the threat of Hitler, and his similarities to Muhammad: "Participation in this life, according to it the only worthy and blessed life, is what National Socialism, as a political experiment, promises to those who will of their own accord share in this experiment. And now it becomes understandable why, at the point where it meets with resistance, it can only </p>
<p>Manfred Halpern, [1924-2001], was a politics professor at Princeton for nearly forty years. Born in Germany in 1924, Halpern and his parents fled the Nazis in 1937 for America. He joined the war against the Nazis as a battalion scout in the 28th Infantry Division, and saw action in Battle of the Bulge and elsewhere. After Germany's surrender, he worked in U.S. Counterintelligence, tracking down former Nazis. In 1948 he joined the State Department, where he worked on the Middle East, and in 1958 he came to Princeton, where he did the same. In 1963, Princeton published his Politics of Social Change in the Middle East and North Africa, an academic treatment of Islamism, which Halpern labeled "neo-Islamic totalitarianism":</p>
<p>"The neo-Islamic totalitarian movements are essentially fascist movements. They concentrate on mobilizing passion and violence to enlarge the power of their charismatic leader and the solidarity of the movement. They view material progress primarily as a means for accumulating strength for political expansion, and entirely deny individual and social freedom. They champion the values and emotions of a heroic past, but repress all free critical analysis of either past roots or present problems."</p>
<p>Halpern continued, "Like fascism, neo-Islamic totalitarianism represents the institutionalization of struggle, tension, and violence. Unable to solve the basic public issues of modern life—intellectual and technological progress, the reconciliation of freedom and security, and peaceful relations among rival sovereignties—the movement is forced by its own logic and dynamics to pursue its vision through nihilistic terror, cunning, and passion. An efficient state administration is seen only as an additional powerful tool for controlling the community. The locus of power and the focus of devotion rest in the movement itself. Like fascist movements elsewhere, the movement is so organized as to make neo-Islamic totalitarianism the whole life of its members".[14]</p>
<p>As Martin Kramer said "his rigorous treatment of Islamism stands up well, and his equating it with fascism was a serious proposition, made by someone who had seen fascism up close".[15]</p>
<p>The comparison of Islamism with fascism was also put forward by Maxime Rodinson, [1915- 2004] the eminent French scholar of Islam, and by common consent one of three greatest scholars of Islam of the 20th century, who pioneered the application of sociological method to the Middle East. As a French Jew born in 1915, Rodinson also learned about fascism from direct experience; his parents perished in Auschwitz. Rodinson replied to Michel Foucault-to be discussed at length below- and Foucault's uncritical endorsement of the Iranian Revolution. In a long front-page article in Le Monde, Rodinson targeted those who "come fresh to the problem in an idealistic frame of mind." Rodinson admitted that trends in Islamic movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood were "hard to ascertain....But the dominant trend is a certain type of archaic fascism (type de fascisme archaïque). By this I mean a wish to establish an authoritarian and totalitarian state whose political police would brutally enforce the moral and social order. It would at the same time impose conformity to religious tradition as interpreted in the most conservative light."[16]</p>
<p>in Ibn Warreq (2009) Apologists of Totalitarianism: From Communism to Islam, Part I ISLAM AS TOTALITARIANISM</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5228E.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5228E.pdf</a></p>
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