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Kuffarphobia in Africa


Kuffarphobia in Africa

To defend the 4 Freedoms in Africa
(apart from Nigeria, Egypt and Sudan which have their own rooms)

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Started by shiva. Last reply by paul collings Aug 9, 2016. 4 Replies

Church Street Bombing

Started by shiva Apr 23, 2015. 0 Replies

Soft Jihad in Kenya: Push for Polygamy Successful

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by paul collings Apr 3, 2015. 3 Replies

A HARD LOOK AT RACISM (Warning Graphic)

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 19, 2013. 4 Replies

...and the beat goes on!

Started by Dave. Last reply by Dave Nov 12, 2012. 14 Replies

Islam Solution to Aids

Started by shiva. Last reply by Dave Jul 30, 2012. 1 Reply

The success of the suicide bomber.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Jul 19, 2012. 2 Replies

Mali: Students flee Sharia in northern schools

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 24, 2012. 1 Reply


Started by shiva. Last reply by shiva May 24, 2012. 9 Replies

No Peace for south sudan.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Joe Apr 30, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 22, 2017 at 9:32

The whole of Africa will be Muslim soon.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 22, 2017 at 6:44
Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 7, 2017 at 23:00

Demolish mosques and remove muslims from our soil is the only thing that will help. We have to vote in the lawmakers that will ban Islam and deny muslims entry or the right to live in our countries. As long as Islam exists and we have muslims living amongst us we will have a problem and have to fear for our lives and freedoms.

Comment by Kinana on April 7, 2017 at 15:33

It is inconceivable that society cannot protect itself from murderous terrorism which springs from a particular source; e.g. Islam.

Comment by Alan Lake on April 7, 2017 at 13:44

Its about more than just Capital Punishment and 'repatriation'.

Since a lot of Muslims hold us collectively guilty as kuffar, and collectively punish us, we need to consider doing the same to them. So whenever a terrorist acts, the mosque he attends is shut down. This goes to the heart of one of the conventional principle of justice, since the mosque could be truly uninvolved in his terrorist development, but it is a response which would have very practical results, in the long term.

The same principle could be applied to the family of a suicide bomber. His parents and wife could be truly innocent of his filthy acts! But the purpose of punishing them would not be retribution of the guilty, but to spoil, for the terrorist, the 'beauty' of his act. No more would it be an execution of dumb kuffar, rewarded by Allah with virgins in heaven, the repect of the Muslim community, and the pride of his family. Instead, he would know that he'd caused the misery of his family and, their hatred of him; and caused the anger of his local mosque community and their disowning of him. His dreams of celebration as a Shahid will be replaced be an awareness of the medieval brutality of his act, and knowledge of his universal loathing - by both Muslim and Kuffar.

The Prophet Mohammed had no qualms about over-riding conventional principles of justice with ones designed to ensure the preservation and success of his 'tribe'; maybe it's time for us to do the same.

For the sake of the lying, brain dead, Leftist filth out there, I should point out that what I am suggesting here is action by the state, not by private individuals.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 7, 2017 at 9:40

It is our morality that betrays us. Anything we do in self-defence is justifiable. Ignoring the concept of human rights and returning unwanted immigrants to place of origin is in no way immoral, it is our right and necessary and not evil. We are responsible for ourselves and our own, nothing more.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 7, 2017 at 9:34

In mortal combat it is the one that decides to become a pacifist or turn the other cheek that dies. Muslims just laugh and stick in the knife.

Some people just do not have a conscience. Islam collectively is without remorse.

I do not hold my nose Alan, I would kill without hesitation or regret. It is about survival and we have to be completely ruthless. We have an enemy that has no moral compunctions. We are given no choice, it is submit or die. Muslims believe that they are in the right and that all of their actions are justified. Wrongdoing is something else to a Muslim. And Mohammed is the perfect example for all Muslims to follow.

Comment by Alan Lake on April 6, 2017 at 17:55
"We have to get rid of the idea that we must be selfless. It does so much damage"

Yes, but its a double edged sword. Our Christian model of love, co-operation and selfless action, is what enabled us to leap forward and leave effectively Muslims mired in the Middle Ages. Yet it is that same model which is now dragging us to our destruction, and which Muslims are cleverly exploiting.

Prophet Mohammed didn't have any such delusions, he just looked after himself and his own 'tribe'. Whether it was murdering anyone who criticised him (42 people), grabbing the best women for sex (Safiyah), or torturing Kinana to death for his gold: Mohammed suffered none of the moral angst that paralizes us Westerners today.

My personal view is that instead of Westerners looking down their noses at Islam - something both the Left and Right do, paradoxically - we should examine it using Game Theory to discover its strong points and our weak points, then adopt the former.

We may have to hold our noses while we do that, but its better than becoming extinct, as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, theres a lot of dumb kuffar out there that prefer extinction.

Comment by Antony on April 6, 2017 at 10:34

Much of the African wilderness is being razed for farmland to support their burgeoning population - where are the eco-activists complaining about this ?

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 6, 2017 at 10:28

The never to be developed world is on welfare and we are paying the bill. In addition they are being allowed to come here. The result (unless the unlikely event that immigration is stopped and reversed and we start looking after our own interests) will be the collapse of our welfare states and western economies. The source of third world aid will dry up as the West becomes poverty stricken and people will starve here, and there. We are, most of us, dependent on the import of food.

The American UN representative said yesterday that if the countries of the UN couldn't cooperate on solving global problems the US would have to go it alone.

Which is my prescription for world peace and universal "love" and cooperation.

Independent homogeneous nations, taking responsibility for themselves.

And, universal cooperation through trade and mutual respect.

Clearly defined borders according to ethnicity.

We have to get rid of the idea that we must be selfless. It does so much damage and benefits no one. Self interest is the core of the solution to the problems humanity is experiencing these days. I do not claim to have reached these conclusions by myself, the thoughts and utterances of people that I consider wise and that I respect are my sources.

But we have to come to a conclusion and a cohesive philosophy that is truely wise.

There is so much that is obviously wrong, but dogma prevents common sense from triumphing.

I believe that any reasonable and objective person will see that uncontrolled mass immigration is causing great harm to stable societies and cultures. Yet none in power dare say so and any that do are crusified. so they drone on about human rights and integration, while the giving of rights and the idea that we are all basically alike is the problem. But then who would dare to come out and say that discrimination and "racism" is actiually the solution to many of the woes and a means to end terrorism and injustice.


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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