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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Secularism brings protection for religious minorities. When it's gone, it's gone. The drooling loons who cheered the so-called "arab spring" obviously had no concern for the rights of religious minorities in those countries. Even when the religious minorities have been suffering under the islamic invasion since the 7th century. The liberal-left idiots of the west seem to think that all over the world where muslims dominate it is because islam was invited in. Historically pre-islamic christian cultures (and jewish cultures) have just been under the yoke of islam for 1300 years. But don't tell the drooling loons -- they like their narratives simple, and preferably confined to a eurocentric guilt that has a short term memory.

It is sad to see people thinking that if the other 50% of the Tunisians had bothered to vote, it would have changed matters.  When the conclusion is inevitable, why bother to vote?  (The same thing happens in the UK).  

I note that the islamist leader of Tunisia shares the same opinions as prominent muslims in Britain.  And still the liberal-left here think they are not a problem.


Arab Spring Brings the Decline of Secularism in Tunisia


Throughout the Middle East, long-standing dictators just ousted in the Arab Spring are being replaced by more oppressive forms of governance, even in the Arab world's most liberal country, Tunisia.

By Aidan Clay

Washington, D.C. February 29 (ICC) – Widely seen as the most secular country that recently deposed long-standing leaders, Tunisia, many believed, had the greatest opportunity to elect a moderate government concerned with democratic principles and human rights. However, the hopes of secularists, Christians, and other minorities were crippled in October when the Islamist Ennahda party won 41 percent of the votes for a national constitutional assembly, a one-year body charged with writing a constitution.

Along with other Islamist movements, Ennahda – at the time called the Movement of the Islamic Tendency – had been outlawed under former President Zine El Abedine Ben Ali. Robin Wright, an American foreign affairs analyst and author of Sacred Rage, described the Islamic Tendency as "the single most threatening opposition force [to Ben Ali's regime] in Tunis."

Ennahda's founder and chairman, Rashid Ghannouchi, considers himself a pupil of Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini. He defended the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979, and supported Saddam Hussein's invasion and annexation of Kuwait in 1990. In a speech given in Khartoum just before the Gulf War erupted, Ghannouchi said, "We must wage unceasing war against the Americans until they leave the land of Islam, or we will burn and destroy all their interests across the entire Islamic world,"The Brussels Journal reported.

Martin Kramer, the renowned Middle East scholar, labeled Ghannouchi "the most prominent Islamist in the West" during his 22-year exile in the U.K. At an Islamic Conference on Palestine attended by leaders of Lebanon's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in 1990, Ghannouchi said, "The greatest danger to civilization, religion and world peace is the United States Administration. It is the Great Satan."

The international community has ignored this extremist rhetoric and extolled Tunisia's revolutionary motives for "greater freedom." However, Ennahda is beginning to show its true colors by attacking freedom of speech and allowing violent Islamist movements to plunder the long-sought ideals of the revolution by demanding an Islamic state.

Death of Free Speech

Nabil Karoui, the owner of Tunisian channel Nessma TV, is currently on trial for blasphemy after airing the French-Iranian animated film Persepolis which features a cartoon depiction of God and is considered sacrilege to some Muslims. Nearly 140 lawyers filed lawsuits against Karoui for "violating sacred values" and "disturbing public order," Tunisia Live reported. Following the release of the film in Tunisia, a Salifist-led mob damaged Karoui's house with Molotov cocktails on October 14. If convicted, Karoui could face three to five years in prison. His trial has been adjourned until April 19, 2012.

"I am very sad when I see that the people that burned my house are free while I am here because I broadcast a film which was authorized," Karoui told reporters outside the courtroom. He described the trial as the "death of freedom of expression [in Tunisia]," AP reported.

While Human Rights Watch called the trial "a disturbing turn for the nascent Tunisian democracy," Ghannouchi, the voice of the Ennahda party, backed the trial, saying, "I support the Tunisians' right to denounce this attack on their religion," reported The New York Times.

On February 15, in a second disturbing attack on free speech in Tunisia, a publisher and two editors of Tunisia's Attounissia newspaper were arrested on charges of violating public morals for publishing a revealing photograph of a German-Tunisian football player with his girlfriend. The arrests raised further concerns among secularists that the Islamist-led government will increasingly seek to censor material it deems offensive to Islam.

Mongi Khadraoui, a senior member of the Tunisian journalists' union, told The Independent that article 121 of Tunisia's penal code, which was used to detain the three journalists, was introduced to arrest opponents of Ben Ali's 23-year-old regime, and that, while the publication of the photograph was a mistake, it "should be treated as a professional error rather than a crime."

"This issue is political and aims to quell the voice of the media and stop it [from] criticizing the government," Jihen Lagmari, a journalist at Attounissia, told Reuters. Lagmari also said she received telephone calls threatening to burn down the paper's headquarters.

Islamists vs. Secularists

On February 17, hundreds of Salafis – who follow the strict Wahhabi doctrine of Islam – protested in the streets of Tunis with signs calling for Islamic law and shouting "Allahhu Akbar!" ["Allah is the Greatest!"] after Friday prayers, AP reported.

Thus, Islamists have used their newly gained freedoms to threaten the very freedoms and values of secularists. If Islamists continue to gain power, violations against the rights of non-Muslims and liberals will inevitably continue. However, some believe the elections – that brought the Islamist Ennahda party to power – do not accurately represent the voice of the population's majority.

"In October 2011, when Tunisia's first post-revolutionary national elections took place… the turnout was 80 percent; but not, as was deceptively reported by the Western media, 80 percent of the total Tunisian population, but rather 80 percent of the 50 percent who had bothered to register to vote," British author and journalist John R. Bradley wrote in his book, After the Arab Spring. "In other words: Ennahda won despite the fact that more than 80 percent of all voting-age Tunisians did not actually vote for the party."

Tunis witnessed the secularists' response when over 6,000 demonstrators chanted the slogans "No to extremism" and "No niqab, no to Salafism" in a march for freedom of expression on January 28,Tunisia Live reported. Protestors also called for the government to stop the rise of an Islamist-based society, which would derail Tunisia's transition to democracy and threaten the gains made by the revolution.

Mustapha Tlili, the founder of the New York-based Center for Dialogues, views the recent actions taken by Islamists as an indicator that Islamists are hijacking the revolution. "Those that staged the revolution see it being stolen and hijacked," Tlili told Middle East Online. "The Islamists' discourse is to withdraw Tunisia from its natural environment and make it adopt Islamist values that are not those of the majority of Tunisians. They reject these values because they are not part of their daily life or vision of Islam."

"We've become the ahl al-dhimma," Abdelhalim Messaoudi, a journalist at Nessma TV, told The New York Times in reference to the second-class, tolerated status to which minorities have historically been subjected in Muslim states. "It is like the Middle Ages."

What Is Next? An Islamic State?

On February 20, Aridha Chaabia, [Popular List], the third-largest party in Tunisia's constituent assembly, proposed drafting a constitution based on Islamic law, Reuters reported. If the proposal wins the support of more than 60 percent of parliamentarians, it could pass without a referendum. Rashid Ghannouchi's Ennahda party, which will have the strongest voice in the vote, has already alluded to its endorsement of an Islamic-based constitution.

Hamadi Jebali, the Prime Minister of the Ennahda party, implied in mid-November that he sought a return of the Muslim caliphate. He further stated at a rally near his hometown of Sousse, standing side-by-side with a lawmaker from the Islamic Palestinian movement Hamas, that "the liberation of Tunisia will, God willing, bring about the liberation of Jerusalem," The Jerusalem Post reported.

"[Ghannouchi's] only condition for Muslim democracy to flourish is the sharing of the immutable principles of Islam as a shared set of values," Larbi Sadiki, a senior lecturer in Middle East Politics at the University of Exeter, wrote in an editorial for Al Jazeera.

Samir Dilou, spokesman for the Ennahdha Party, tried to ease secularists' concerns in an interview in May: "We do not want a theocracy. We want a democratic state that is characterized by the idea of freedom. The people must decide for themselves how they live…We are not an Islamist party, we are an Islamic party, which gets its direction from the principles of the Quran."

But can an Islamic party governed by the principles of the Quran value the freedoms of the country's secularists, including its religious minorities? Katharine Cornell Gorka, the Executive Director of The Westminster Institute, does not think so.

"Of all the people in the world, Americans first and foremost should recognize the absurdity of [Dilou's] statement," Gorka wrote. "All the evidence is there to suggest that Tunisia's new government will prove antagonistic both to American interests and to the values America is built on. That is not to suggest we should have intervened to create a different outcome. Tunisia's fate is its own. But neither should we be at the front of the cheering section, applauding what will likely be a long and brutal lesson for Tunisia on what happens when religion is enchained with politics."

Recent indicators in Tunisia suggest that Islam and democracy are not and cannot be compatible. John R. Bradley, in his book After the Arab Spring, offers an alarming glimpse into Tunisia's future governance: "[Ghannouchi] is for democracy 'as a system of government and a method of change' but – and here comes the conversation stopper – only insofar as it is compatible with Islam. The Quran remains the sole authoritative bases for legislation, whose earthly manifestation are the scholars… who interpret it so that the state's function is essentially executive in nature. To put it in a nutshell: Islam is the answer to everything, the final authority, and the sole source of legitimacy of government."

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/tunisias-islamic-har...

Tunisia's Islamic hardliners score victory in television trial

A Tunisian court yesterday convicted the head of a private TV station for disrupting public order and violating moral values by broadcasting an animated film that some religious leaders say insults Islam.

The court in Tunis ordered Nabil Karoui to pay a 2,400-dinar (£974) fine because his station, Nessma TV, broadcast the film Persepolis in October. The case has pitted liberals and defenders of media freedom against hard-line Islamic groups who say that the film, which includes a depiction of God, is sacrilegious.

The legal battle has underscored a struggle between secularists and Islamists in the North African nation after last year's overthrow of the dictator Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali. In its ruling yesterday, the court convicted Mr Karoui of causing "troubles to the public order" and "offence to good morals" but threw out a charge of "offence against a sacred item".

The defence lawyer, Abada Kefi, said he would appeal against the verdict, while Mr Karoui said, "You can't be half-guilty and half-innocent," adding that he feared the ruling's impact in other North African countries. The network is also shown in Algeria, Libya and Morocco.

Troops were deployed to separate rival protests over the film during the trial last month. Several hundred hard-line Islamists called for the TV station to be shut down, while a similar number of liberals backed Mr Karoui.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/tunisia-5000-islamic-supremacists...

Tunisia: 5,000 Islamic supremacists rally, hail "the beginning of the end for the children of secularism"

The "Arab Spring" once again shows itself to be a "blessed Islamic revival." "Tunisia: Salafist Congress In Kairouan Draws Thousands," by Houda Trabelsi for Magharebia, May 24:

housands [sic] of salafists converged on Kairouan Sunday (May 20th) outside the Uqba Ibn Nafi Mosque for the second annual congress of the Ansar al-Sharia movement.

As many as 5,000 people from across the country attended the event led by salafist Sheikh Abou Iyadh (aka Seif Allah Ben Hassine) and Sheikh Al-Khatib El-Idrissi.

Abou Iyadh once fought in Afghanistan and was jailed by the Ben Ali regime before being freed from prison after the revolution. His speech to attendees focused on the economy, simultaneously reassuring investors while advancing the salafist agenda.

“You who impede the wheels of the economy in our country, fear God in our people and let investors invest in Tunisia, and enough of the random protests which harm average citizens and the economy,” Abou Iyadh said.

He also called on followers to establish an Islamic syndicate to “give the employee his due”, calling on supporters to “break away from the secular unions”.

Regarding Tunisian tourism, which many citizens see as threatened by the spread of the salafism, Abou Iyadh sought to calm anxiety. “Travel agencies, Why the fear of us? We ask God for guidance for you so that tourism is correct with Sharia, and for my brothers, we will not change evil with the hand but will change it with the call,” he said.

Organisers of the Ansar al-Sharia congress asked attendees to boycott all media on allegations that the Tunisian press had slandered salafism.

At the opening of the congress, there was a display of combat sports with hands, sticks and swords as a symbolic act signifying jihad, amid cheering and celebration.

Ridha Bel Haj, head of the banned Hizb Ettahrir, was among those present and gave a speech in which he stressed “the existence of a blessed Islamic revival”.

Meanwhile, Tunisia’s ruling Islamist party distanced itself from the salafist event. Amer Al-Arayedh, member of the Executive Office of Ennahda, told Magharebia that there was “no correlation between the salafist movement and the Ennahda movement. Each political party has its orientation and goals.”

“It is the right of the salafists in Tunisia to organise meetings and forums like any other movement, whether leftist or right-wing,” al-Arayedh said. “The important thing is maintaining public safety and not sparking riots and civil strife.”

On Monday, Justice Minister Noureddine Bhiri warned salafists over their attempt to forcibly ban the sale of alcohol in the town of Sidi Bouzid.

Addressing the attacks on bars, al-Arayedh said Ennahda was “against any form of violence and against the imposition of any behaviour, because the state is the only one responsible for public order and for giving licenses to bars or closing them, and individuals or parties must not impose what they want by force”.

Mohamed Zied Abid, a young salafist, said the event was “the beginning of the end for the children of secularism and the advocates of division and tearing apart the Islamic ranks”.

“It seems clear that this event is a starting point to break the link between this current and the Ennahda movement,” Tunisian Mohsen Achouri told Magharebia, adding, “especially as salafism in Tunisia, as happened in Egypt, began organising ‘politically’ after licensing the salafi Reform Front party, and are awaiting licenses for other salafist parties, such as Hizb Ettahrir.”



Joe said:

A Tunisian court yesterday convicted the head of a private TV station for disrupting public order and violating moral values by broadcasting an animated film that some religious leaders say insults Islam.

The court in Tunis ordered Nabil Karoui to pay a 2,400-dinar (£974) fine because his station, Nessma TV, broadcast the film Persepolis in October. The case has pitted liberals and defenders of media freedom against hard-line Islamic groups who say that the film, which includes a depiction of God, is sacrilegious.

The defence lawyer, Abada Kefi, said he would appeal against the verdict, while Mr Karoui said, "You can't be half-guilty and half-innocent," adding that he feared the ruling's impact in other North African countries. The network is also shown in Algeria, Libya and Morocco.

I missed this film when I was in Bangkok

BANGKOK | Wed Jun 27, 2007

(Reuters) - Thailand has caved in to pressure from Iran and withdrawn the animated movie "Persepolis", about a girl growing up and feeling repressed under Islamic rule, from next month's Bangkok International Film Festival.

"I was invited by the Iranian embassy to discuss the matter and we both came to mutual agreement that it would be beneficial to both countries if the film was not shown," festival director Chattan Kunjara na Ayudhya said on Wednesday.

"It's a good film, but there are other considerations."

The film, based on the popular French comic books of Iranian director and writer Marjane Satrapi, drew complaints from the government-affiliated Iran Farabi Foundation when it was screened at this year's Cannes Film Festival in France.

In a letter published by several news organizations, the foundation said the film "presented an unrealistic face of the achievements and results of the glorious Islamic Revolution in some of its parts".

The film follows Satrapi as a little girl watching the fall of the U.S.-backed Shah. She and her family believe that with the Shah gone, state repression will end but the film shows that it only worsens.

Iran's rulers are criticized in "Persepolis" but so are Western democracies for backing the Shah and supplying his government with weapons.

Mali Rebel groups merge to form islamist state ; http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120526/D9V0L2C80.html

Thousands in modern, moderate Tunisia chanting: "every muslim is a jihadist".  How loud do muslims have to say this for the looney libtards in the west to hear it?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/tunisia-thousands-of-misunderstan...

Its absolutely bizarre! My Muslim friends tell me that that black flag they're all carrying says (in Arabic):

"I love you, and I just want to be your friend and live in peaceful harmony with you!"

Obviously a Muslim would never lie to or deceive an infidel, so there must be some kind of mistake here. That newspaper must be lying. And the BBC must be lying as well. Its all Islamophobia, as plain as the nose on your face. Yes, that's it, that explains it perfectly.

Its probably another of those smears the EDL keep trying to spread, like that one about Muslim paedophile grooming gangs. Whoever is going to believe stories like that? those young English girls are obviously making it up.

Yes, my little brain is happy now.

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16246989

The Leader of NATO, Urges the release of 4 members of the International criminal court. When this happened i had a little laugh. Not at the misfortune of the 4 ICC delegates, but the irony of it. We help to depose of the old tyrant, proclaiming that the arab spring as the dawn of democracy for Libya, and when delegages go to question a suspected war criminal, and son of the former leader. In accordence with international law. They get Arrested, you have got to laugh.
The entire international community should say release our delegates NOW, or we,re comming to get them ourselves. If they are killed, we'll flatten your country.

Tunisia was paralyzed by a general strike called by the country's main unions on Friday, the day of Chokri Belaid's funeral. All stores remained closed including supermarkets which had stayed open during previous strikes. Offices, schools and universities also remained closed.

Hospitals are guaranteeing only emergency services. Judicial offices also shut down.

Meanwhile the army is overseeing security at Belaid's funeral. Dozens of troops are patrolling the area where people have gathered to commemorate the murdered opposition member.

Military police are present, recognizable with their uniforms, and are discretely controlling the situation, also from side streets.

http://ansamed.ansa.it/ansamed/en/news/sections/politics/2013/02/08...

Either the Arab Spring is just like the Prague Spring.  Or arabs are nothing like europeans.

http://ansamed.ansa.it/ansamed/en/news/sections/analysis/2013/02/08...

Mideast: Arab springs, hope gives in to problems

Egypt and Tunisia between freedom and chaos. Bloodbath in Syria


(ANSAmed) - ROME, FEBRUARY 8 - Those hoping that the fall of autocrats in nations at the center of the 'Arab spring' was enough to improve the situation in the region have been disappointed. The governments of the new 'democracies in embryo' - in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya - have inherited serious problems of a different nature. They have to deal with issues ranging from finance to organization, information, the lack of coordination between the education system and labour market and illiteracy. All these factors together make a real and quick transformation unlikely as such problems have been part of Arab societies for decades. Unemployment is a further, key matter and the main cause which has led to the vicious circle seen in Egypt and Tunisia. The lack of foreign investments due to political instability makes matters worse, leading to more protests and discontent and the malfunction of essential services.

The general situation in Egypt further complicates talks over crucial aid from the International Monetary Fund to Cairo.

In spite of all this, freedom remains, according to analysts, one of the most important conquests for countries at the centre of the 2011 revolt. A conquest which enabled citizens to say no and to set themselves free from submission. The situation in Tunisia appears as serious as in Egypt and exploded with the assassination on Wednesday of secularist opposition member Chokri Belaid.

The total lack of experience of government members elected in Egypt and Tunisia benefits no one. Rashid al Ghannushi, the current president of Islamic government party Ennahda spent over 30 years in prison and exile before returning home after the fall of former leader Ben Ali.

Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was jailed several times for his role in the Muslim Brotherhood and lived partly as a clandestine in the Mubarak era. Both have more experience as opposition rather than government members and need more time to show they are able to fulfill their role.

If Egypt and Tunisia continue to be in a difficult situation, the scenario in Syria is much more dramatic with an increasingly violent civil war between insurgents and forces loyal to the regime of Bashar al-Assad which has claimed over 60,000 lives. In this context, world powers like China and Russia are keeping the UN Security Council in check and the West seems willing to give rebels only limited support - of a moral nature rather than from a material and financial standpoint.

Iran meanwhile continues to massively support its ally Assad and the crisis risks a bloody impasse as neither a military nor a diplomatic solution have so far appeared viable.

The only political hope, if a military operation will not end the matter, has glimmered in the past few days after the president of the opposition coalition Muath Al Khatib said he was ready to negotiate with members of the Syrian regime 'whose hands are not bloodied' provided they set political prisoners free. But this statement has had no consequences so far especially since the military wing of the insurrection together with leading opposition members like Haithem Al Maleh have rejected it. The Kurdish issue is further complicating matters.

The Kurdish Democratic Union Party has gained control of a number of cities and villages in north-east Syria and a few districts in Aleppo but appears to be focusing more on defending its ethnic identity than on Syria's destiny.(ANSAmed).

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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