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http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/02/no-quran-in-spain.html 

Exactly what muslims all over Europe should have been calling for in the past 50 years.  They flee their own disastrous countries and then most just bring the problem with them.


Tuesday, February 28, 2012

No Quran in Spain

Petición Prohibir el Corán en España

A Pakistani apostate now resident in Spain wants the Spanish government to ban the Koran. Below is the message we received yesterday from “Imran Firasat”, the owner of the Spanish website World without Islam:

I have formally asked the Spanish government through a legal petition for the prohibition of the Quran in Spain.

Many newspapers from Spain and some other European countries have published this news. I would like to request you to publish this very important and necessary news on your website please. We have to help each other in our fight against the Islamic dragon.

My petition calling for the prohibition of Quran is the sign of a grand revolution which we shall bring together against Islam. With this email I send you scans of the petition presented to the numerous institutions of Spanish Government. And below here I send you some links of media which published this news, and then after the links you can find the English translation of the news.

1. Un pakistaní afincado en España pide formalmente “la prohibición de...
2. Un refugiado pakistaní residente en España pide la prohibición del ...
3. Pakistansk flygtning opfordrer til at Koranen skal forbydes

The English translation of the news:

A Pakistani settled in Spain asks formally “the prohibition of Quran”


“Imran Firasat” A Pakistani citizen with legal residence in Spain as a political refugee has presented an official petition to the numerous institutions of the Spanish government calling for the prohibition of the Quran.

Imran has formally sent the petition to the President of Spain, Parliament of Spain, ministry of the exterior and also to the ministry of the interior. A copy of the petition is attached at the end of this news.

In the document presented to the government of Spain, Imran reveals 10 points which will support his petition for banning the Quran:

1. The Quran is not a sacred and religious book, but a violent book, full of hatred and discrimination.
2. The Quran is a horrible book which provokes a community calls Muslims to undertake Jihad, kill innocent people and destroy the peace of the world.
3. The Quran is responsible for all the terrorism we have seen in recent years in which thousands of people lost their lives.
4. The Quran is a book which contains evil teachings and forces its believers to capture the entire world and total power at any price.
5. The Quran is a book which legally permits and incites hatred and violence and for that reason it is not compatible with the modern world including Spain.
6. The Quran is a book which directly discriminates between human beings.
7. The Quran is a book which doesn’t allow freedom of expression nor religious freedom.
8. The Quran is a book which causes women to suffer and be tortured by means of its being full of injustice and macho laws.
9. The Quran is a book which rather than teaching unity, teaches disunity and in this way it doesn’t allow its believers to form friendships with those who are not Muslims, because in the eyes of Quran they are infidels.
10. The Quran is a major threat to the free society of Spain. A book which clearly preach the messages of Jihad, killing, hate, discrimination and revenge. For that reason it can’t be compatible with the Spanish system in any sense. It is a book totally contrary to what the law and constitution of Spain say and it incites hatred and violence in our country.
 

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Well, knock me down and call me "Vanessa".  The guy's attempt to get the Koran banned in Spain has moved onto the next level.  And one of the commenters says that to get this far with any petition in Spain is really hard.  As another commenter points out, it's not the banning that is important - it is getting the multi-culturalists who defend islam to actually read the book they defend out of blind ignorance.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/petition-to-ban-koran-i...

Muslim organisation threatens to kill the ex-muslim's family.

http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...

I've read both the Bible and the Koran very carefully, and there is no doubt that the Bible is at least as bad as the Koran. In my opinion, it's far worse. So it's really hypocritical to try to ban one, and not the other. Personally, I don't think either one should be banned because doing so would grossly violate the right of Freedom of Speech.

For the record, I believe that the PVV (Geert Wilders) is calling for the Quran to be banned in Holland as a matter of consistency.  The Government there has outlawed Mein Kampf.  So it is a matter of equal treatment before the law that the Quran should also be banned.  In this day of the internet, it is more a political gesture than anything else.  It is a statement on the morality of both books.  The need for combating of obnoxious ideas and anti-social attitudes and behaviours will be with human communities forever!

Sorry folks, I am very skeptical about this one. You can see my reasons here

It seems very strange that the media have picked up on this, as he is not completely unknown to the police or media.

I have bad, very bad feelings about this guy, what type of guy is he who can  write on his blog

Wow, it is summer now in Spain. I’m sitting under umbrella on a beautiful Spanish beach rich of the blue transparent water and fine, shiny golden sand. A cool Mediterranean breeze is blowing. The sun is as young and strong as tom cruise used to be ever. My close friends are by my side and we are in the middle of a chess game. Muhammad is licking my feet and I am feeding him biscuits every now and then. What more can I ask for? It is so beautiful moment as we are welcoming to the summer in Spain.

What type of guy is he who can write the above write on his blog, when his wife and four kids are having a very rough time in Indonesia. She even spent 9 months in jail.

What kind of guy is this who claims he wife and kids are under serious threat in Indonesia, goes and publishes pictures such as the one below, while he is out of the safely out of the way.

 Link

Why isn't he running a blog and petitioning to get his wife and kids out of Indonesia, but running a blog that is endangering his family.

I cannot see the Spanish government taking the guy seriously.

I think you are right that there is something at the very least odd about this.  

It is odd that a muslim or ex-muslim would seek to get the koran banned.  I do know of some ex-muslims in Britain who hate islam far more than anyone else I've ever met.  But they are living under threat of death from their own families, so are not writing blogs nor taking high-profile legal cases.  Nor rubbing salt in the would, naming their pet dog Mohammed.

And all this with his wife and children in Indonesia.

He could simply be insane, or a publicity seeker.  One has to hope that if anyone bears the consequences of his actions it is him and not his wife and children.

Joe dijo:

I think you are right that there is something at the very least odd about this.

You can bet your life to that

Firasat claims that he was refused aslym in Germany, here he is telling a half truth In 2004 he and his wife where deported to Indonesia, but because he was Pakistani, they would not let him in, so the Germans brought them back to Germany. At the time there was an uproar about the deportation, as his wife was heavily pregnant at the time.

Link

After that fiasco they where allowed to re apply, so the chances of being refused seem very small, 

The next we hear they are in Spain

Firasat Imran came to Spain in (November 2004). He was 26. He was accompanied by his pregnant wife, Jenny Setiawan, and a young son. He came from Germany, where he had been denied asylum despite fleeing Pakistan for religious reasons. He, a Muslim, had committed the crime of falling in love with a Buddhist woman and living with without getting married, he said. 

For months, he toured the media of Cantabria, where he had settled, to achieve the solidarity of NGOs and individuals to their request for refugee status. He was with his children in his arms and his wife had given birth, to tell a dramatic story of persecution involving the rape of his wife and amputation of the thumb of his left hand. 

In April 2006, got permission to stay for "humanitarian reasons". 

After obtaining residence documents, Imran won the financial guarantee from two  residents of Santander to create a company and set up a kebab restaurant in the Cantabrian capital. Even got to the Regional Administration to give him a grant. All while continuing to play the victim of his religion, which he did not hesitate to deny publicly in a letter published in the newspaper ABC in January 2008. 

He had a third child, and even expanded the business with two other local hotels. However, in February 2008, he and his family disappeared. He left owing money to the suppliers, their employees and three months' rent of the house occupied. 

Of course, neither returned the money paid to its members and informed them that he had transferred the premises. 
In vain that a court ordered his arrest. No further news of them until a woman called Triana (Imran alleged mistress) was arrested in a boarding house in Pajetan, Yogyakarta, in July 2010

 Two days after police received reports of the of abduction of Viktor Rizky Wibowo, made by his wife, Selvi Magdalena, June 16, 2010, was found dead in two pieces of luggage in Rengas Dengklok, and Krawang highway.

Having ascertained that the pieces of the body was Viktor Wibowi,s, police started  looking for suspect Triana Dengah (20) Imran alleged mistress.

Triana Dengah was arrested in the boardinghouse in Pajetan, Yogyakarta, in July 2010. "Armed with information from Triana, the police where able to pursue 'Imran. But he was on the plane that was about to land Barcelona, July 18, 2010," 

Police later revealed, Imran assisted Triana, killed and mutilated Viktor Wibowi. 

The court sentenced Triana to nine years in prison,  the suspect's wife, Linna Serachman, sentenced to 20 months for making a fake passport for Imran.

The Spanish High Court rejected a request from Indonesia to extradite murder suspect, Imran Hunches Sulaeman (32), who is a citizen of Spain and Pakistan, due to Indonesai still retain the Death Penalty

Link

Below is a link to the latest darling of anti jihad movement

Link

Nice guy, scarpers and leave two women to take the wrap, not content with that he is now endangering one of them again.

 

Three points I would like to make before I put these to rest.

The first being I find it very strange that the Spanish media stopped reporting on him after his arrest, there is nothing about his release, the same there is nothing about why the High Court refused to deport him.

The second, on the blog-sphere his wife is called Jenny Setiawan, yet in Indonesia she is called Linna Serachman, but one thing for sure the Interpol photo proves he is our man, which brings us to the last point. As he is red flagged by interpol, he cannot flee so easily should the islamists decide to go for him, nor can he flee if pulls another scam.

The Kebab Ripper (as he has been named in several fish wraps in Spain) is digging a rather big hole for himself

Up date

At the moment Firasat has posted some very convincing stuff at Faith Freedom,s site

Link

I am not convinced

#1 If he had been arrested for anti-islam blogging then there would have been something in the press about his arrest, especially where he was living, Tangerang is known to be a hot spot for hard core muslims.

#2 His total lack of concern for his wife and children, who are still Indonesia

Petition to ban the Koran in Spain accepted

Spanish Parliament admitted the petition to ban the Quran in Spain

Dear friends

This is Imran Firasat (A Pakistani ex Muslim residing in Spain). I hope you still remember me. I am the one who some weeks ago lodged a formal petition to the Spanish government for prohibition of Quran in Spain. Today I get back to you again with the fantastic news that my petition in the parliament of Spain has been admitted successfully and it has been sent to the next level.

When I lodged the petition, many Muslims sent me the messages calling me stupid and commenting that the Government of Spain is not going to entertain your petition and that they will tear and throw your petition.

Well, the good news is that I have received a letter from the Parliament of Spain, in which they informed me that they have admitted my petition and sent to the “Constitutional Commission” of the Parliament.

Even though it is still not a formal prohibition of Quran but still it is a big success for us. At least the fight against the violent Quran is at the next level. Actually I was suspecting that the Spanish government will never reply my petition or they may ignore it because of not wanting to have conflict with Muslims. But salutes and ovations to the Spanish parliament that they took this matter seriously, Admitted the petition and sent it to the “Constitutional Commission”.

It is an encouraging news for all of us who want to get rid of Quran, Islam, Muhammad and Sharia. And it is also an example for the world that nothing is out of reach, if we do an intelligent and hard fight. The admission of my petition in Parliament encourages and insists me to do much more against the spreading Islamism. That is why soon I am going to lodge more petitions in Spanish Supreme Court and European tribunal. Let´s have a face to face fight with Muhammad (The self claimed fake prophet).

Dear friends, please help me to spread this news everywhere you can for encouraging to people all over the world that if they also take same kind of actions, then for sure someday we can have an Islam free world.

In this article I attach the scanning of the letter which I have received from the Spanish Parliament. Apart of that here I send you some links of Spanish newspapers and International sites which have published this good news a few days ago:

La Comisión Constitucional del Congreso estudiará la petición de Imran Firasat de prohibir el Corán en España

http://www.minutodigital.com/2012/04/24/la-comision-constitucional-...

Petition to Ban the Quran was Admitted by Spanish Parliament

http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/news/prohibition-of-quran-peti...

 

Spanish Parliament Accepts Pakistani Ex-Muslim’s Petition to Ban the Quran for Consideration

http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...

 

El Congreso estudiará prohibir el Corán en España

http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-gaceta/cataluna/congreso-estu...

 

Thank you very much for supporting me
Imran Firasat (Madrid – Spain)
www.mundosinislam.com
World without Islam

Ha, ha, I missed this last time around:

Responder para John Carlson el junio 2, 2012 a las 1:04pm
I've read both the Bible and the Koran very carefully, and there is no doubt that the Bible is at least as bad as the Koran. In my opinion, it's far worse. So it's really hypocritical to try to ban one, and not the other. Personally, I don't think either one should be banned because doing so would grossly violate the right of Freedom of Speech.

There's so much wrong with that small paragraph, Its hard to know where to begin. But the best start is just to say "Well you start your own petition then!".  Oh but he can't, because of this magical "free speech" argument, which is given without any regard to the whole context of the petition and the democratic framework, which itself references Free Speech.

Is it hypocritical to give money to starving Africans, when there are also starving Indonesians?  
Is it even hypocritical to give money to starving Indonesians when there are Africans starving even worse?

"I've read both the Bible and the Koran very carefully..." - we'd better bow to your expert knowledge then?

In 4 lines he manages to break so many good behaviour guidelines and mischievously tries to waste so much of our time, I can't believe we let him stay here so long.

Regarding Imran Firasat, perhaps he is throwing up a smokescreen of trouble, in order to waylay further attempts to deport him for trial.

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