It takes a nation to protect the nation
Information Loss on the Internet
As has already been stated, one of the reasons for 4F is to capture and catalogue news and comment that otherwise gets deleted or aged out of internet sources. Just one symptom of this is that at least 1/3rd of all youtube videos get removed over time, as shown by the number of dead links. (However, to make pages more readable, admins do remove dead links from time to time).
Another aspect of this problem is the purging of hostile comments, and re-editing of own comments, as performed recently by the BBC in the #notmyskin issue over a white campaigner self-identifying as black.
I just came across another aspect of the information loss. I was tracing back thru some of my archived comments, and one very long set on a Youtube video has disappeared; however the video is still there. It seems that I posted a response to one person's comment, but that person has since closed their account. Consequently, their original comment has been deleted, and every single response to their comment, no matter who it was from.
So we all need to be aware that, even with out any dirty tricks, for totally benign reasons, our carefully prepared comments can be totally wiped out.
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Permalink Reply by Joe on
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There is not much to be done.
Organisations (e.g. MCB) have had compromising stuff wiped from www.archive.org.
The only option is to use one of the bookmarking services which also makes one's (personal) archive of the bookmarked page.
If all this is re-writing of history can take place on a sporadic basis, imagine what can happen with a centralised, highly-funded sustained campaign. One can find Thomas Pellow's printed account of being a white slave in the National Archive. But it is almost impossible to find the description of what was done in the process of torturing Kris Donald to death.
All it takes is for a hostile employee at Ning to "accidentally" delete 4F & the backups. Poof...all gone.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on
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Err, excuse me, that was the architecture of last century. If it is possible for a single employee to erase the archive copies now, there is something seriously wrong. But I don't deny that a single rogue admin could delete the current working copy of 4F.
For one thing, the archive copies (I prefer to call this Versioning) may end up at another site, on tapes of some form or other. Obviously it depends how robust the architecture is, but if it is reasonably robust, then to delete all copies including archive copies, would require a sustained effort by a team of people, over several days, and of course, with appropriate sign-off. It's not easy!
Of course 4F is not important to Ning. But the issue is one of generality. Ning should have, and if it is using good Cloud facilities it will have, a structure in place to protect the data of its corporate clients, and that means proper archiving. And if that structure is in place, then the cheapest and easiest thing to do is to plug all the other clients into it, no matter how big or small.
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The life cycle of most web pages runs its course in a matter of months. In 1997, the average lifespan of a web page was 44 days; in 2003, it was 100 days. Links go bad even faster. A 2008 analysis of links in 2,700 digital resources—the majority of which had no print counterpart—found that about 8 percent of links stopped working after one year. By 2011, when three years had passed, 30 percent of links in the collection were dead.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/raiders-of-t...If 30% of material is gone after 3 years by normal internet rot, imagine how much is going to be gone after 10 years and with active censorship by the fascist replacement population and the paid goons at these $billion companies. I'd predict that less than 30% of material will survive even 10 years hence.These things confirm my worst fears, about what was coming in terms of the Memory Hole and censorship, things which 6 years ago sounded like ravings of a madman. If something's important and you want it to survive for more than 5 to 10 years it looks like the only option is to put it into a book. There were things on the MCB website which I referenced in the 2014 edition of EM. A few months afterwards they'd gone from the MCB website AND had been deliberately scrubbed from archive.org. They (thought) they'd destroyed all the evidence that they claimed the grooming gangs were "a racist myth". I suspect the document I eventually found hidden on a UAF server and which is now in Easy Meat has also disappeared. -
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Wikipedia refuses to recognize either Breitbart or Daily Mail as news sources.
They are un-Persons.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/corinne-weaver/2018/10/...
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