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It takes a nation to protect the nation

This forum is for catching and recording significant, well written comments on forums and walls, which we do not want to get washed away in the waves of forum history.  

It is the corollary to the "Key Discussions" box on the Homepage and the 'Featured' discussions in each room, which maintain a permanent pointer to the most noteworthy forums.  Those methods keep track of good forums and point to their beginning.  This forum however, is to point inside a forum, to a particular comment we wish to preserve.

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Comment by Joe


"I saw another article where Facebook's moderators in Germany are suing Facebook.  The process of having to look at "far right" content in order to ban such content actually made them "far right"  (i.e. they recognised that the things they were identifying and banning were actually factual and those came to be persuaded by the very material they were being told to seek out and censor)."

A quote from Marcus Aurelius, contributed by Philip: 

  • Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact.
    Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.

"Just when you think Marxism is dead, it evolves" - Philip Smeeton.

Comment from Alan Lake on 19 Oct 2020.

These few words capture the essentials perfectly. They are worth their weight in gold and should be distributed to everyone in the country.

"The only societies that have ever attempted to be race blind and universalist are white societies. Look at how non white countries are, and that's how Britain will be once white Britons become a minority. We will be hated and despised, no one will enforce the anti-discrimination laws that we passed to protect non-whites on our behalf, they will just laugh at our stupidity for handing over the only homeland we have to them."

It was a comment on this video:

SARAH VINE: If you want to meet a real bigot, try talking to a liberal:
"These types approach their mission with an evangelism that stems not so much from a desire to improve the world around them but from the absolute certainty of the superiority of their convictions and the unshakeable belief that anyone who dares to question them is an inferior human being. That their opponents are not just wrong, but also wicked and must be destroyed.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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