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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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1.1 Transparency
Aim for maximum transparency.  This means that you should try to:
(a) Have discussions where possible in a public forum.  That way more people can benefit from them, and the material can be easily re-used.  A forum is a write-once-read-many medium, whereas an email is a write-once-read-once medium.
(b) Try to maintain an audit trail or log of what happens. For example, when the Code of Conduct is changed, a record is kept of the obsoleted version. That way, its possible to again learn lessons, and understand why certain decisions were taken sometime in the past. 

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Mr Lake,

I've tried to contact you several times before about 4 Freedoms Community.

In this thread:  http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/norway/forum/topics/the-coward-of-u...
Morrigan Emaleth, writes that the 'coward' Eskil Pedersen 'should have been killed', and says she wants 'karma to play its part'.

  • Is this the view of the 4 Freedoms Community? 
  • What is your personal view on this statement?
  • Morrigan Emaleth has been present at meetings organised by you in London. Is she a trusted friend and colleague of you?
  • How many members of the 4F believes that Eskil Pedersen should be killed?
  • Do you believe that Eskil Pedersen deserves to die now?
  • Do you believe that Eskil Pedersen deserved to die on July 22, as he ran off rather than protect his friends at the island?
Med vennlig hilsen/Kind regards,

Torgeir P. Krokfjord
Reporter
Dagbladet

[2 minor edits made in order to comply with Code of Conduct security requirements] 

Reply from 4F Admin Team

The issue that arises here is that the first of the 4 Freedoms is "freedom of speech".  4F could not make it clearer what our community holds in the highest regard. This principal was only constrained in this community by section 2.1, which limited free speech to that which is within the bounds of the legal jurisdiction where 4 Freedoms resides.  

It appears that we had an oversight in our Code of Conduct, which has now been remedied with the addition of clause 2.1(b).  We will apply this clause retrospectively, by noting the breach on any past posts drawn to our attention. Obviously, we cannot discipline members of our community who in the past have breached the terms of the revised Code of Conduct, as that goes against the principles of natural justice. 

In contrast with our principles, the neo-fascists suppress any opinion dissenting from theirs, using many of the following tactics:

  • violence, (up to and including assassination, as with Pym Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, etc.)
  • false reporting to incite others to engage in violence and assassination
  • intimidation and threat
  • reputational damage, leading to social, financial or employment loss
  • the policy of "No Platform"
We in 4F totally reject such pernicious and socially damaging tactics directed at the suppression of thought, and we do everything we can to maintain a free and open dialogue.
Torgeir P. Krokfjord has been invited to join 4F and to continue his discussion here.  As a member of this community, he may be fortunate enough to gain insight into the logical fallacy of Guilt by Association:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy  .  I'm sure such knowledge will be of assistance to him in his journalistic career.  One day he may enter into communication with some important political figure with whose opinions he does not wholly agree, and knowledge of this fallacy will stand him in good stead should someone seek to associate him with the opinions of another.

Mr Korkfjord,

why don,t you join in the debate and put your questions to the people who make the statements, as has been suggested.

Alan Lake said:

Mr Lake,

I've tried to contact you several times before about 4 Freedoms Community.

In this thread:  http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/norway/forum/topics/the-coward-of-u...
Morrigan Emaleth, writes that the 'coward' Eskil Pedersen 'should have been killed', and says she wants 'karma to play its part'.

Mr Korkfjord please watch this video.

Did you watch the video? do you agree that some women in norway do not have their rights protected.

Do you agree that in norway people who speak out against muslim immigration are unfairly labled as racists.

Do you insist on labeling people racist if they talk about immigration issues regarding muslims.

Why do you agree with female genital mutilation and honor killing.

As a journalist do you believe in reporting the truth or are you politically motivated and only report that which suits your political learnings?

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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