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10 Reasons Why Islam Will Replace Secular Democracy [PCD]

Islam will replace Secular Democracy (SD) in Europe.  As this happens, the US may wake up and adapt in time, but don't bank on it, our civilisational memory is very weak.  Nowadays it is thought perfectly normal to let Turkey into the EU after it slaughtered and continues to persecute its Christians, and quite all right to see the Aya Sophia, the most important cathedral in Christian history, surrounded by 4 minarets (imagine Mecca with a 4 Crosses at its corners), because we have got used to the idea.  Similary, as Europe falls under the control of Islam, Americans may just get used to the idea and go back to watching their blockbuster movies - until it happens to them.

These ideas are obviously not original to me, I have just try to catalogue and order them completely.  Walter Lacqueur's books were being taught as standard texts in university politics courses 40 years ago, for example The Last Days of Europe.  He has a long-standing pedigree as an author on the plight of jews, terrorism, and fascism, but a more interesting read would be America Alone, by Mark Steyn.

Citizen

1. Hedonistic
 The principle of SD, once you've done your work, is "just pursue your own pleasure", but Muslims have duties (to Islam).  So why should any of us be working to protect this society with its freedoms?  Younger people are busy enjoying themselves, middle aged people may do it for their children if they can find time, and older people can afford to just let it go.  Ultimately as system based on personal pleasure cannot win against another system which makes it the members duty to defend and spread that system.

2. Cowardly
 The citizens of a modern SD are decadent and fearful, therefore they are simply not suited for a vicious fight. The average modern non-Muslim, especially in the media, will seek the cowardly way of avoiding any risk to their own person (from Islamist threats) rather than face up to any of the hard issues involved.  They are also fearful of social disapproval, and will keep their heads low to avoid being picked up on the social radar for criticism and abuse.

Sayyid Qutb often called this decadence Jahiliyah in his book Milestones. Qutb's criticisms of the West are very pertinent and apposite; however it should be noted that Western society wasn't always like that.  It was only 250 years ago that the American revolution occurred, bringing about a new nation.  This revolution was a major step in the formation of the principles of secular democracy.  People were prepared to fight a war in order to assert those principles; the founding fathers were born at a time when the culture of the British elite was at the height of foppish decadence. The American people may yet wake up and revolt again, in order to protect secular democracy from its impending demise.

The cowardice is so deep as to not even recognise itself.  Thus people would rather kill the screeching canary in the coal mine, than heed its warnings and deal with the lethal gas.

3. Spoilt
 People do not appreciate what they have always had.  So todays citizens of the SD do not appreciate the Freedom they have inherited for free from their ancestors who fought for it.  Therefore they do not work to protect it, and haven't even an awareness that they should be preserving it to pass on to their own descendants.  

As a society, SD also do not remember what lands they have lost.  Hence modern Western citizens have no awareness that the Christian world lost all of the Middle East, Persia, North Africa and Turkey.  If it did remember, it would have unwound the Islamic takeover of those countries, when it took control of them in the 2nd World War.  Instead, it merely handed them back to Islam, and allowed the persecution and legalised discrimination against non-Muslims to continue.

Muslims, on the other hand, are reminded to preserve the Islamic characteristics of their countries, will never forget land that was at one time Islamic (for example Israel or Andalusia/Spain), and will constantly push to re-conquer it.

4. Complexity
The freedom of SD is too complex and fragile for most intellectuals to understand and defend.   Democracy consists of many implied facets: separation of church & state, separation of legislature, judiciary and executive, bicameral parliaments, mutable laws, universal human rights, freedom of speech, the right to dissent and the right to protest.  Then the concept of a Republic with a Bill of Rights is a further refinement, to stop any possible tyranny by the majority over a minority.  This is all an attempt to balance many different types of freedoms, that of the individual and that of the society with its Law Enforcement officers, that in the Private sphere and that in the Public sphere, that according to tradition and that according to current fashion.  

But the problem is even harder than that.  As Karl Popper said:
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them… We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.” 

That balance between tolerance and intolerance, between free speech and speech which attempts to destroy free speech, between free election and parties which wish to destroy democracy - that balance needs to be distilled out with surgical precision and tight boundaries drawn around it.  That is what I've tried to do with the first two of the 4 Freedoms.  But even that is not the end of the story.  As is explained at length here, the first two freedoms are the base underlying framework upon which any number of different democratic legal frameworks can be constructed, for example, the law of libel.  But how you want to balance press freedom with privacy protection is yet another difficult choice.

Its difficult enough for a trained academic to defend this whole structure, never mind an ordinary citizen.  This in itself can lead to a kind of intellectual fear of failing, such that people become afraid to try stand their ground in argument.  This is understandable and we do not criticise them.  That fear cannot be surmounted by just having guts alone.  Its a perfectly reasonable fear that requires help by further training in argument. 

Islam on the other hand, is much simpler, and with a small amount of training, easy to defend from within its own value system.

Society

5. Tribalism Works
 We have lost the tribal bonds that used to bind us together. People fight for clear identities not vague concepts, and our pursuit of pluralism actually makes us weaker. As Osama bin Laden said:
"If you give people a choice between a strong horse and a weak horse, they will always choose the strong horse".  Morality doesn't come into it, and Islam is currently the strong horse. 

Cultures are bound together by relics of  historical patterns, not by logic.  We've gradually lost many of our our binding cultural artefacts, in order to streamline our society for the corporate machine, in the following forms:

  • May Day / St. George's Day / Christmas (but Spain has preserved its local festivals)
  • the non-working wife as 'home maker', always on site to look after the property and people
  • connection with family and community, because of  relocation for job mobility
  • trade unions and working-men's clubs
  • Pubs used to be social centres, but taxataion, changes in technology and alcohol availability are destroying most of them

Muslims have kept their societal 'glue' because it is woven into the very fabric of islam.  This is an important point because it means it is essential and not accidental.  It is encapsulated, messaged and enforced in the following ways:

  • almost every other page of the koran is about distinguishing between muslims and non-muslims, and the latter are disparaged and to be punished for refusing islam (and this is enshrined in sharia law); muslims are explicitly told not to take jews and christians as their friends; islam prevents a muslim from criticising another muslim
  • halal meat reminds them daily who they are, and food taboos around clean/unclean are very difficult to unlearn (something like pork especially)
  • Islam set up its week and year to be different, for example with regular weekly Friday prayer together and yearly Ramadan performance and celebration.
    Our week/calendar on the other hand, have almost entirely lost their association with christianity by becoming global (and applicable in non-chrisitan countries)
  • laws on marriage/parenting between muslims & non-muslims are designed to absorb people into the tribe; murder for apostasy is designed to stop people leaving the tribe.
  • inability to change or criticise islam is designed to keep the tribe united
  • identifying uniform for the elite / men,  e.g. skull cap
  • identifying dress code for the subordinates / women, e.g. hijab or burqa
  • Muslims still live very close to their family, and 50-75% don't work, therefore can maintain family bonds:   http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-clas...
  • mosques act as social hubs and continue to expand, because even though Islamic praying isn't a joyful activity, there is a compulsion to go (assisted by family proximity and the shame culture).

6. Intimidation Works

Violence and intimidation can be used to silence the speakers, then the rest are easily out-argued.

SD has to maintain order to survive and for its institutions to function.  Gangsterism only has to create disorder in society, then, out of the breakdown of society, the most cohesive group will emerge in control.  This pattern is clearly visible in the so called 'Arab Spring', where the Muslim Brotherhood is gradually taking over control and imposing hard line Islamist policies to replace the initial freedom.  This was also the clear pattern in the Islamic revolution in Iran.

For completeness, I should point out an exception in that Al Queda attempted to take control by the creation of chaos in Iraq, and failed. The US military and the Iraqi people managed to survive the onslaught of bombs and chaos that Al Queda managed to create.  Whether Iraq can survive this strategy again when all the US troops have left, is another matter.

7. Intolerance Works
 If you have a strong Tribe (5), then use Intimidation (6) and Intolerance (7) to eradicate the other splintered groups of a tolerant society, it is easy for the monoculturalism of Islam to wipe out the multiculturalism of SD.

The clearest example is that of Mohammed removing multi-culturalism from Saudi Arabia.  The very multi-culturalism that allowed his intolerance to exist in the first place. The sequence was:

  1. Mohammed started in Mecca and used its multi-cultural tolerance to create his new religion.
  2. Mohammed moved to Medina and built his army.
  3. Mohammed returned to Mecca, crushed the inhabitants, then destroyed the existing multi-culture with its 360 different idols, in order to impose his own monoculture.

8. Infiltration Works

The non-discrimination principle of SD means that, even those who plan to destroy the society, are allowed to take positions of power in it.  The US apparently had Muslim Brotherhood advisers guiding policy in the Dept. of Homeland Security.  

In the UK, entire areas like Tower Hamlets and Bradford West have fallen under the control of Islamist sympathisers like Lutfur Rahman and George Galloway, with no allegiance to any of the secular parties.

We have no way of knowing how many Muslims in positions of power are quietly promoting an Islamist agenda.  The Muslim head of the Religious Affairs dept of the BBC seems to have had some effect since he took office, but we have no oversight of all those internal meetings and memos he controls.

Such infiltration would not be permitted in islamic societies.  The islamic party in Britain (Hizb ut Tahrir) has made it clear in their published documents, that when they take over, non-muslims would not be permitted to hold any high office."  http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/theology/forum/topics/hizb-ut-tahir...

9. Erosion Works
 Those in SD societies conceive of things in smaller timescales than muslims.  We think in terms of 5 years (elections/governments), or at the most generations (overwhelmingly we are concerned about our offspring from birth to age 20, with little concern for them as adults, and relatively little concern for our grand-children, compared with our own offspring).  Hence the erosion of SD values over time by gradual change to Islamic values, is not obvious enough to motivate action from its non-Muslims.

One of the religious aspects of Islam is that of a conquering and millenarian/salvationist dogma, which thinks in terms of hundreds of years.  Those muslims alive now are disposable in the context of the larger project of jihad.  The value of their life & death will be accounted for on the day of reckoning. 

10. Reproduction Works
 Currently, 11% of meat sales are Halal (and many Muslims do not bother to eat Halal meat) &13% of prison population is Muslim (and we should not assume that Muslims are more criminal than the rest of the population.

If we take this to be representative of the UK as a whole, and note that the muslim population is doubling every 10 years (through biological reproduction, spouse importation, and 'dependent relative' importation), then in a few decades Sharia Law will be simply voted in to replace secular law.

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Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on April 18, 2012 at 9:53

Good point Dave and its actually my main pre-occupation now, in terms of our Freedom Fighter (FF) movements.

I've always been interested in logic and reason, and I find it amazing that our FF side often loses in debates and argument, unless we are being defended by someone like Douglas Murray - and there aren't many of them.

So I've spent a lot of time trying to distil out and simplify our case so that it can be used by other people. The Total Elevator Pitch, on every page of this website, it the result.  Well, its in compressed form there, but the expanded forms are more readable.  That Elevator Pitch avoids getting bogged down in difficult theological arguments or learning lots of Islamic scripture.  It just points out the defects in how we've structured our foundational principles and our law, and that we have to re-assert the separation of Church and State, if we are going to give any kind of exemptions  or special treatment to the 'Church', which in this case is Islam.

Human argument is ferociously complex and complicated, even more so than computer systems, and that's saying something, so even the Elevator Pitch is heavy going.

My dream would be to train small groups of people all round the world, to be able to perform effectively in this dialogue arena, but I'm afraid that dream is a long way off yet.  It is difficult to find the right people, and the logistics problems are great as well, but I will keep trying to develop such an idea.  I also plan on writing a book later this year which should hopefully clarify things.  That's the best I can do at the moment  I'm afraid!

Permalink Reply by Joe on April 18, 2012 at 12:28

Civilisational collapse has happened before (does any of this sound familiar?):

In our own time the whole of Greece has been subject to a low birth rate and a general decrease of the population, owing to which citicies have become deserted and the land has ceased to yield fruit, although there have neither been continuous wars nor epidemics... men had fallen into such a state of pretentiousness, avarice, and indolence that they did not with to marry, or if they married to rear the children born to them, or at most as a rule but one or two of them, so as to leave these in affluence and bring them up to waste their substance, the evil rapidly and insensibly grew.

Polybious, The Histories, Book XXXVI (circa 150 BC)

Meanwhile back in 2006,in our favourite example of dumbed-down gutter journalism, Dagbladet, Mullah Krekar openly stated: 

We're the ones that will change you.  Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children.  Every muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children... Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours".

Steyn, America Alone pp.39-41

And it looks like he is right.

You would think that with all the classics scholars churned out by universities all over europe, that the records of people like Polybius would be known (heck, they can get degrees in classics these days without even reading greek or latin).  They probably watch the film Troy with Brad Pitt, and think they understand the Trojan War).

You would think with all the social scientists being churned out by our universities, that they would be able to understand that demography is destiny (mind you they don't even need basic maths to be called "social scientist", so they probably see the simplest table of numbers and skip passed it).

Our dumbed-down, reality-tv/celebrity obsessed lemmings cannot see the inevitability of what is happening.  They are all too busy running along with the other lemmings to see the cliff ahead.  Meanwhile, on the peaks above, there are masses of hunting birds reproducing.

I realise that the lemmings/cliff image is only a metaphor.

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on June 1, 2012 at 6:07

I got this from the British Patriots Society website.  Will have to look up further detail later.  It backs up the 10 reasons given above.

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As T.B MacCauley rightly stated:

''A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest democratic nations has been 200 years.

Each has been through the following sequence:

  1. From bondage to spiritual faith.
  2. From faith to great courage.
  3. From courage to liberty.
  4. From liberty to abundance.
  5. From abundance to complacency.
  6. From complacency to selfishness.
  7. From selfishness to apathy.
  8. From apathy to dependency.
  9. And from dependency back again into bondage."

We are now on step 9.

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on September 3, 2015 at 0:16

A lot of useful info here: "What makes Islam so successful?":

http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/11/basic-elements-of-islam.html

According to my method of 'Ideological Anthropology', I rank the two ideologies here:

http://4freedoms.com/group/admin/forum/topics/the-10-ideology-metrics

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