The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation



To record and discuss 4 Freedoms issues in Afghanistan

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Comment by Alan Lake on January 12, 2017 at 6:26

Trump Will Inherit a Losing War in Afghanistan
He didn’t break it, but he needs to decide to either buy it or return it

Comment by Alan Lake on January 5, 2017 at 23:51

Taliban Video Shows Kidnapped U.S.-Canadian Family - Breitbart

Very sad, but this is what happens to utopianists when reality hits.  

Comment by Antony on February 6, 2015 at 18:19
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Comment by Antony on October 31, 2014 at 9:00

Bumper Poppy crop expected ;

No doubt the Taliban and their chums in Pakistan's ruling elite will be taking their cut in return for services rendered - shortly to appear on Western streets courtesy of grooming gangs and used to ply young girls with, all the money laundered by City financial firms.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 28, 2014 at 5:40

A very realistic review of the Afghanistan war, from the BBC:

Then, some uncharacteristically realistic comment from the Guardian:

The Guardian view on the state of Britain’s armed forces after the final withdrawal from Helmand.

Comment by Antony on July 6, 2014 at 9:26
Comment by Antony on June 14, 2014 at 10:48
Comment by paul collings on June 10, 2014 at 20:56


Interesting about the emerald mines. Any profit I'm sure will go to corrupt officials and Jihad.


The Heroin problem has been getting worse for years, right under the nose of Police, who like the grooming gang problem have refused to act because the heroin is controlled by the followers of Muhhamad.

There's more variety of drugs on our streets than flavours of Ice cream. No one gets punished for it, it makes people rich and it destroys our communities.

Heroin comes from a part of the world that is supposed to have every inch of it spied on.  from space and from drones and from people on the ground.  What a waste of resources.

The measure that need taking to stop drugs would break human rights laws. No one has the balls to rid our countries of drugs. And America shows us what happens if you let it get out of control.

Comment by Antony on June 10, 2014 at 16:57

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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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