The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation



To record and discuss 4 Freedoms issues in Afghanistan

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Comment by Antony on February 6, 2015 at 18:14
Comment by Antony on October 31, 2014 at 9:00

Bumper Poppy crop expected ;

No doubt the Taliban and their chums in Pakistan's ruling elite will be taking their cut in return for services rendered - shortly to appear on Western streets courtesy of grooming gangs and used to ply young girls with, all the money laundered by City financial firms.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 28, 2014 at 5:40

A very realistic review of the Afghanistan war, from the BBC:

Then, some uncharacteristically realistic comment from the Guardian:

The Guardian view on the state of Britain’s armed forces after the final withdrawal from Helmand.

Comment by Antony on July 6, 2014 at 9:26
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Comment by Antony on June 10, 2014 at 16:57
Comment by Alan Lake on June 9, 2014 at 4:33
Comment by Joe on November 27, 2013 at 10:45

PAM, you needn't feel bad :)  I curse The Telegraph several times every week.  It's just the best of a very poor selection.  

I would estimate than less than half of the significant news I read each week comes from The Telegraph.  Most of my significant news comes filtered through a whole variety of websites.  We now have far more opportunity to be informed than any generation in history.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 27, 2013 at 3:56

We even link to the Guardian sometimes, even to endorse a point as opposed to showing their fecklessness!  We are a library; all data, if it helps to show a point, is valid :-)

But yes, its complicated.  Sigh...

Comment by Paul Austin Murphy on November 26, 2013 at 17:19


I feel a bit guilty. I've just written an article for Liberty GB slagging off The Telegraph, yet 4 Freedoms keeps linking the newspaper. Still, it's complicated.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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