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Comment by Joe on November 26, 2013 at 16:50

Stoning to return to "moderate" Afghanistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10472518...

So this is what Britain fought for all these years?

Comment by Alan Lake on September 5, 2013 at 20:51

Goodness gracious me!  An article revealing Islamic Fascism, in the Guardian?

Escape from Taliban author shot dead after returning to Afghanistan:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/escape-from-taliban-au...

Comment by Alan Lake on July 31, 2013 at 3:30

The 1st and 3rd (at 40m in) talks are very good here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXFdjeqfMfQ&feature=share&li...

Comment by Alan Lake on February 11, 2013 at 4:02

This can't be right, you must have got it wrong.  People keep telling me how Islam just brings peace, harmony and prosperity to every country it takes over.

Comment by Joe on February 10, 2013 at 23:59

Incredible.  These photos are apparently of the same vista.  The one on the left is the 1960s. 

What is even more mind-blowing, is that this story by Phyllis Chesler about her captivity & escape from Afghanistan took place before the photo on the left was taken!  http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/women/forum/topics/western-feminist...


This Before And After Image Of Afghanistan Is Hard To Believe

Geoffrey Ingersoll
Business Insider
February 9, 2013

This image of Afghanistan might be hard to wrap your head around, but it’s totally accurate. Prior to three-plus decades of war, Afghanistan, and Kabul in particular, had a pretty solid setup, one that westerners would often visit.

Sadly, the image on the right is likely to remain a reality for the foreseeable future.

Taken by amateur photographer Dr. William F. Podlich in the 1960s, the two women are his daughters (Afghan women, even most men, don’t bare arms or legs in public), this and other pictures show westerners and Afghans in western-style clothing, clean streets, and buildings without any bullet holes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/before-and-after-afghanistan-image-2...

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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