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Fightback by Alinsky Techniques
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All those who are happy to see the 4 Freedoms replaced by 4 Submissions, are our opponents. They don't care about the truth, or addressing our arguments, but merely attack us using Alinsky's dirty tricks. We should do the likewise.
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The MIQASHUD
The Left demand Muslim-only swimming pools and shout 'Islamophobe!' at anyone who objects, but remain silent at all the abuse, persecution and genocide against the victim groups we try to protect here.
- M: (Islamic) Moderates (like Inayat Bunglawala)
- I: Islamists (Fundamentalists) (like Abu Qatada)
- Q: Quisling Opportunists (like Ken Livingstone or George Galloway)
- A: Appeasers (like Archbishop Rowen Williams)
- S: Self-centred hedonists and materialists (like Victoria Beckham)
- H: Hopeless - disillusioned former fighters that have given up
- U: Utopianists (like Prince Charles)
- D: Distracted - constantly distracted by pulp TV and Social Media, so never able to even ask the question
Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals
- Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have
Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.) - Never go outside the expertise of your people
It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.) - Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy
Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.) - Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules
If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.) - Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon
There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) - A good tactic is one your people enjoy
They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.) - A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag
Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.) - Keep the pressure on. Never let up
Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.) - The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself
Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
(Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.) - If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive
Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.) - The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative
Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.) - Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it
Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
With thanks to Glenn Beck for the comments.
Does the Democratic process still work in the West?
Anything you do, however small, that isn’t controlled by the government, is a revolutionary act - Pat McCran
Discussion Forum
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Alinsky interview with Playboy magazine
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Motoons Exposed in 2006 - yet the Fraud Continues until this day.
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Blacklist and Loonwatch
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Muslim Police Organisation: "EDL trying to kill us".
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The Politics of Demonization
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National Union of Journalists - Guidelines on Race Reporting
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Australian Website "theantibogan@wordpress.com" hypocrites or web warriors.
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Our Opponents, the MIQASHI
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Alinsky Rule 11: If You Push a Negative Hard and Deep Enough it Will Break Through into its Counterside
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Comment by Indoeuropean on December 30, 2010 at 16:42
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Comment by Kinana on December 1, 2010 at 12:22 -
These are the people we are dealing with.
Injured Iraqi Girl
“We tried to close the church door but the terrorists opened it with bombs. They came in looking for all the young men to kill them. No one tried to attack the terrorists. They began to kill children because their crying bothered them. They killed several crying children.” October 31, Syrian Catholic Cathedral of Baghdad
http://www.romereports.com/palio/Victims-from-attack-on-Christian-c...
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Comment by Pat McCrann on November 30, 2010 at 14:06 -
Hi Kinana, to be honest with you I'm using the word in a very loose, general sense, but I'm doing some research soon I hope which will perhaps clarify my own thoughts on the matter. Subsidiarity is good, but of course the onus, at least right now, is on the powerful to devolve power, and in my opinion that ain't going to happen because the state is too bureaucratic & people aren't very good at letting go of power, or of their own jobs. The EU spouts about 'subsidiarity' so that should tell us something, & politicians have been spouting about 'big society' for a lot longer than Cameron. I'll get back to you when I've researched a bit more. At the moment I'm halfway through Daniel Hannan's 'Twelve MOnths to Renew Britain' or whatever it's called, which is also big on localism. I have my own ideas, & they start with the little man, but sometimes you need to compare with what others are saying before you're sure what you're saying, if you see what I mean.
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Comment by Kinana on November 30, 2010 at 13:39
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Pat, is 'localism' similar to the medieval idea of subsidiarity?
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Comment by Alan Lake on November 30, 2010 at 2:46 -
Ahh, I wasn't aware of Burke's 'Little Platoons', but I was already a fan of his ideas so I like him even more :-)
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Comment by Pat McCrann on November 29, 2010 at 21:40
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"...and of course its in the tradition of Schumacher's "Small is Beautiful" concept. But altho its a great weapon, I don't think that in itself will be enough...'
And Edmund Burke's 'Little Platoons'. But surely the surest way to enable apolitical administration is through localism.
I'm aware of the Tea Party but not too well up on them yet. However I'll look them up as soon as I get a chance and see what they have to say about localism. thanks for the tip.
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Comment by Pat McCrann on November 29, 2010 at 21:04
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Excellent. Classical liberalism it is then. Re. your last paragraph, I couldn't agree with you more. Let's get brainstorming. As you say, there's a lot of work to be done.
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Comment by Alan Lake on November 29, 2010 at 16:00
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Yes and Yes and Yes!
(1) We have a 2-headed enemy. Some people call the Leftist threat 'Collectivism' and sometimes I call them Liberals in the sense of liberalism gone astray and become a threat to those very liberal freedoms.
(2) The funding IS one of the big issues, and those guys have been very sneaky and cunning in getting funding for political projects out of supposedly apolitical governmental bodies. How? Well they all went to Uni to train in this stuff, while the rest of us tried to learn something useful, something fascinating or something beautiful (engineering, science or Art). Then they left University, gravitated to positions of power, then grabbed the money that the rest of us were busy enabling.
(3) I think the Localism idea is a great one; it ties in with the Tea Party rejection of big government (which goes right back to the founding fathers of the US); and of course its in the tradition of Schumacher's "Small is Beautiful" concept. But altho its a great weapon, I don't think that in itself will be enough.
We need to add to it a ruthless return to the principle of secular government and apolitical administration. We need to forcefully reject, on principle, any attempt to promote the political project of Islam from government funds, and the same goes for some of the Leftist projects which try sneak in under the skirt of various other labels. There's a lot of work ahead!
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Comment by Pat McCrann on November 29, 2010 at 13:27
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Thanks, and yes it's hard work isn't it? The evidence seems to show though that we have a two headed enemy, which is the radical Left and Islam, and it seems the left is adept at funding itself through state funding. I know this is the case from other stuff I've read. The answer of course is to cut off their funding, and the only way to do that is, in my opinion, through a return to localism. It's the buzz word amongst politicians so let's call their bluff instead of leaving it in the sound bite column. Small local councils who in turn fund government and a new contract between tax payers and council along the lines of, 'Here's what and how much we're prepared to fund. These are the services we're prepared to pay for and this is how much'. I believe David Cameron at the election of the Coalition suggested council tax payers making a new contract with councils re. what they were prepared to pay for. Unless I dreamt it. Either way I think it's the route that needs to be taken.
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Comment by Alan Lake on November 29, 2010 at 5:06
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Well Done! It is a tough slog reading all this stuff on Islam, and if our stupid governments were doing even half their job we wouldn't have to do this. We only need a few people who have covered the important material, because the rest of our fighters provide support in other ways.
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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
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