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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on Thursday

Winston Churchill warned about dangers of radical Islam over 100 years ago.

....improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”
....the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”
....the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Thursday
It is interesting to see some of the things that have issued from Winston Churchill's mouth.
"We live in a country where the people own the Government and not in a country where the Government owns the people. Thought is free, speech is free, religion is free, no one can say that the Press is not free. In short, we live in a liberal society, the direct product of the great advances in human dignity, stature and well-being which will ever be the glory of the nineteenth century".
"The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny".
"Still, it is the primary right of men to die and kill for the land they live in, and to punish with exceptional severity all members of their own race who have warmed their hands at the invaders' hearth".

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 4, 2018 at 9:23

Everything is political now and polarized Joe. Gays are being used as pawns by the Left. They gather anyone that can in any sense claim to be a discriminated minority into one basket. The Muslims claim to be a discriminated minority but they are a "minority" that wants to exterminate all of the other minorities. Just like the nazis they kill or imprison anyone that is not orthodox. I am a nationalist not a nazi. My policy is live and let live, but that only works if everyone lives by this. Muslims have not left us alone. We are all threatened by Islam.

Comment by Joe on March 3, 2018 at 16:23

Yep. The PC vision is indistinguishable from satire.

For years my husband and I have marveled at the way the lunacy of the gay housing association we worked for 30 years ago has now become mainstream.  But seeing the Loony Left say that it's xenophobic to describe recent UK weather as "the Beast from the East" shows we are in truly new territory.

Geography and magnetic North are now politically biased.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 3, 2018 at 15:38

Just shows, you can make this stuff up.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 3, 2018 at 15:36

The new TV series "Here and Now”. It is the Liberal Multiculturalist Message.
“A multi-racial family made up of husband, wife, three adopted children from Somalia, Vietnam and Colombia and one biological child, find their bonds tested when one of the children begins seeing things which the rest cannot.”
“A provocative and darkly comic meditation on the forces polarizing present-day American culture, as experienced by the members of a progressive multi-ethnic family — a philosophy professor and his wife, their adopted children, and sole biological child — and a Muslim family, headed by a psychiatrist who is treating one of their children. “
“The therapist also has a gender-fluid son that likes to cross dress and wear a hijab.”

Comment by Joe on March 3, 2018 at 11:55

Strange that the compulsory vegetarian option on every menu doesn't hand Hitler a posthumous victory.

Comment by Antony on March 3, 2018 at 11:51

Joe - re Youtube - the SPLC are now calling Stefan Molyneux a neo-nazi cult leader ! ;

Mind you, a circumcision ban would apparently hand Hitler a posthumous victory ! ;

Comment by Joe on March 3, 2018 at 10:41

Because I leave YouTube autoplaying in the background, I stumbled across these bloodsports.  I knew immediately something extraordinary was taking place. I've never seen any of the live versions, but I must have caught up with the replays shortly afterwards.  When I heard Richard Spencer give Sargon a drubbing, I knew the ground had shifted.

These have now become so high profile that they are being banned on YouTube.

Let me express how shocking and extraordinary such bans are. These are THREE HOUR LIVE DEBATES ON POLITICS.  They have had maybe 300k live viewers. They came out of nowhere. They had no budget behind them for advertising or anything else.  

That they are being forcibly shut down by The Cathedral will only serve to show the millions who have seen/heard of them that the arguments of the far right have merit.

Imagine if this format was put on TV.  Imagine if some cheapo cable TV company was to host live 3 hour debates on politics, where anyone could step forward and make their case.  Imagine if that proved more popular than Big Brother or other rubbish.

I continually make the case that people are not interested in politics because they can have no effect in politics.  This is exactly how the elite want it to be.  The establishment would love to be able to host live 3 hour debates and have them be at the top of the ratings.  I stopped watching Question Time over 30 years ago.  Ever week seemed like a re-run of the previous week.  

That no-one would oppose Jared Taylor in a debate is very significant.  I'd never heard of him until a month ago. He comes over as the most reasonable man. I'll have to pay more attention to him if no-one will debate him.

Comment by Antony on February 28, 2018 at 21:58

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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