The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: 4 hours ago

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:

Find more photos like this on The 4 Freedoms Library

  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:

Discussion Forum

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake 4 hours ago. 19 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake yesterday. 4 Replies

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 3. 400 Replies

Alt-Right and the media.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Apr 23. 28 Replies

Hitler: inside the mind of a dictator

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 25. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 18 Replies

Family Discussions and Christmas

Started by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 0 Replies

Weasel Words and Wrong Translated Words

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 5 Replies

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 20, 2016. 330 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Sep 13, 2016. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Peter Sutherland

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 29, 2016. 4 Replies

Comment Wall

Add a Comment

You need to be a member of Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution to add comments!

Comment by Alan Lake 4 hours ago

When you trace parentage, the branches expand.  But when you trace evolution, the branches converge.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 6 hours ago

Out of Africa, out of my ass.

The idea of tracing human beings back to a single ancestor is ridiculous and misleading. Every single living being on this planet has thousands of ancestors that have contributed directly to its dna. Human being have not spread in one direction alone, they spread in every direction possible.You have 2 parents 4 grandparents, 8 grandparents, and so on doubling for every generation and all contributing directly to your dna. You are related to about everyone that has lived in your native district the past thousand or more years. 2,4,8,16.32,64,128,256, and so on back in time and across families.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 13 hours ago

All my love Heather. Keep saying exactly what you mean and stick to your beliefs. I don't think that you are blocked so keep on trying. Philip.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 13 hours ago

Another bunch of loonies.

It reminds me of an article I read a long time ago. A researcher demonstrated using rats that overcrowding led to a disproportionate rise in violent attacks between the rats. He coupled this to global overpoulation and the rapid growth of gigantic cities. He predicted that overcrowding, people up in each others faces too much, would cause an escalation in violent crime, and I think he mentioned extremism and terrorism, urban and global?

Wars between nations will also become more likely as resources become scarce.

Looks like things can only get worse.

Comment by Philip Smeeton yesterday

The socialist's good intentions have ruined our civilization.

Comment by Alan Lake yesterday
Comment by Philip Smeeton on Saturday

We are no longer educated or informed Alan, we are indoctrinated. Truth doesn't stand a chance against blind faith, unless we champion it.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Saturday

Quid est veritas? Right Kinana. We just have to plod on and continue to expose lies. We may be wrong sometimes but what matters is that our intention is to tell the truth, as we understand it. And question our beliefs.

If you say that you are going to give me five pounds and sincerely intend to do so then you are telling the truth and that is a fact.

That's about as close as I can get to defining truth; as being reality and fact.

Everything else is speculation, fiction or downright lies.

Comment by Kinana on Friday

"What is truth?" Pilate asked.

And then he made his choice. 

Comment by Alan Lake on Thursday
"What we are left with Alan is personal interest".

Yes, or as it used to be called, 'enlightened self interest'. Unfortunately now, we seem to have a generation that have lost even that.

Members (42)


Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

© 2017   Created by Netcon.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service