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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Thursday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

Alt-Right and the media.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Feb 10. 15 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 25. 9 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 20. 398 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 18 Replies

Family Discussions and Christmas

Started by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 0 Replies

Weasel Words and Wrong Translated Words

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 5 Replies

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 20, 2016. 330 Replies

Pascal

Started by Philip Smeeton Sep 13, 2016. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Peter Sutherland

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 29, 2016. 4 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Mohammed Ali

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 6, 2016. 13 Replies

Islam = Fascism

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 5, 2016. 1 Reply

British History.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jun 2, 2016. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Malia Bouattia

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 30, 2016. 3 Replies

1984 - Tracking Our Descent into Madness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 19, 2016. 1 Reply

How human beings think/ do not think.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 16, 2016. 2 Replies

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Comment by Antony on Thursday
Comment by Antony on February 15, 2017 at 6:48
Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 14, 2017 at 9:26

http://www.businessinsider.com/islam-muslims-assumption-misconcepti...

A historian of Islam explains the greatest misconception people have about Muslims.

“…incline Muslims to take specific positions on politics.”

“….about fixed Muslim attitudes towards the law and towards politics,”

We do not understand Islam??? What is there to misunderstand about all of the violence and prejudice and hatred in Islam? There are no “politics” in Islam, only bloody internal and external conflict, and Sharia Law being applied to various degrees of severity.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 9, 2017 at 9:31

It may seem hard to comprehend, but the more intelligent you are and the better educated, the stupider you become. Now, if the education system had been reasonable and objective and value-neutral this would not be the case. However the liberal socialist agenda has infiltrated and dominated our places of learning, the media and our political system. The ordinary average and intelligent citizen owns more wisdom than the highly educated because they remain in touch with reality. Whereas in universities, teacher and journalist schools, the students are exposed to raw liberal-socialist indoctrination and those with opposing or independent views are excluded.

I would rather listen to the average man in the street than any academic any day. The academics are the ones called in by the media to witness as experts and they to a man regurgitate the politically correct destructive ideology that they have been impregnated with. They have been taught dogma and to ignore reason and to interpret facts incorrectly. They cannot and will not see their error. Therefore all of their ideals are wishful thinking based on impossible ideals such as universal equality and a belief that human beings are basically good, something a reasonable person realizes they are not. There are vast numbers of very unpleasant people out there that we have to protect ourselves from. The liberal-socialist infested politicians and media has failed to protect us and even claimed that there is no threat, the lie that if you are nice to nasties they will start to play nice. We know that is not true. so we must choose leaders that really will protect us and that are in touch with the same reality that we ordinary mortals are exposed to every day.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 8, 2017 at 12:49

When people get elected or are given positions just because they belong to some sort of minority, and not because they have any ability, you get people with power that are incompetent or stupid. They will only represent that minority and the general level of competence in society will sink.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 8, 2017 at 11:02

http://www.theblaze.com/video/final-thoughts-welcome-to-the-game-se...

I love these right-wing web sites that are growing now, like The Blaze.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 4, 2017 at 17:09
Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 1, 2017 at 8:59

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1406.5215.pdf

The scientific proof that multiculturalism and integration do not work.

Even small intolerances in a multi-ethnic group. left to its own devises, results in voluntary segregation, where each sub-group naturally sorts itself into distinct ethnic areas. (ghettos, enclaves, neighborhoods).

No matter how much socialist wishful-thinkers desire and work for and make laws to enforce integration, human nature just does not allow it. The majority always ends up preferring their own kind and their own comfort zone.

Thomas C. Schelling’s Segregation Model.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 30, 2017 at 18:17

Libtard definition: I do not agree with all of it just most of it.

Evolution defies the 2nd law of thermodynamics as does the formation of stars, planets and galaxies because there is a middle stage between the initial uniformity of the universe in its early stages and the final uniformity of the universe in its final stages where all energy is diluted and it dissipates into an infinity of low energy. In the middle stages of the universe (according to big-bang theory), the interaction of particles becomes complicated and combines in ways that are dictated by the strong nuclear forces and the weak gravitational forces. Thus galaxies and living creatures can form. Particles interact to form complex chemicals/elements that further interact as lifeforms or as collections of atoms and molecules that compact and ignite into stars.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 30, 2017 at 17:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaMfiQpQPE0

http://www.thenational.scot/comment/15042534.Michael_Gray__Can_it_b...

We have to choose strength and organization and self-defense and to gain political power.

 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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