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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: 53 minutes ago

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

James Burnham

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 4. 25 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left - Tariq Ramadan

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 22. 1 Reply

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 17. 404 Replies

Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 22. 4 Replies

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

Alt-Right and the media.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Apr 23. 28 Replies

Hitler: inside the mind of a dictator

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 25. 9 Replies

Family Discussions and Christmas

Started by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 0 Replies

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Comment by Antony 53 minutes ago

Quick heads up for a forthcoming programme - Carne Ross - accidental anarchist ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z007p

Comment by Philip Smeeton 1 hour ago

The millennials have been taught just one negative thing by their socialist teachers, that capitalism is greed and the unjust exploitation of workers.  What they should have been taught is that when the state owns and controls everything nothing works. Our modern technological civilization was built by free enterprise capitalists that generated wealth not only for themselves. In all things we need capable leadership.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 4 hours ago

It's like everything else Antony you have to define it in order to be able to understand it. The millennials are indoctrinated not educated. Stefan Molyneux does a good job here, own stuff and don’t break contracts plus honest investment. And a minimum of government interference in everything. They should ask the millennials what a national debt is and why it exists at all, I certainly do not understand this. It should be do not spend more than you earn and do not borrow more than you can pay back within a reasonable timespan.

Governments cannot just print more money and anyone that invests unwisely should personally pay the consequences. Some things, many things were better in the past. As an example the Greek State should not have been bailed out, their economy should have been allowed to collapse.

Comment by Antony 18 hours ago

51% of millennials reject capitalism ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc46v7k_xNY&feature=em-uploademail - I'm not really surprised as it as come to mean, rather than free trade,hard work and innovation, banking cabal swindles and corporate fascism, oh , and throw in a few pointless (for us) middle eastern wars where our young men get killed or have their legs blown off.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 19 hours ago

http://www.thedailybeast.com/reptile-cult-feud-over-raw-meat-ends-i...

Cults of any kind are interesting as they demonstrate the willingness of some, and sometimes many people, to believe in unreasonable things. What people are willing to kill or to die for. It begs the question- are my own beliefs reasonable and sane?

Corn circles, UFOs, supernatural beings, doomsdays, prophesies, the list is endless. It's like a drug for some, they become dependent on weird ideas that they see to be reasonable and sink ever deeper into conspiracies and bizarre theories that seem perfectly reasonable to them. They commit intellectual suicide and become blind to logic, reason and reality; except that they develope an alternative false logic and reality that is to them inescapable. 

I only believe in that which has at least the capability to be proven to be true. All else is theory and speculation. Reality and my own desires are what drives me.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Monday
Comment by Antony on Monday
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 14, 2017 at 23:22

https://youtu.be/swR55USC9H0

Race is a factor and it cannot be ignored. In fact race is a necessary part of nationalism because without a common identity there is no nation. A nation with large growing ethnic minorities is doomed to be torn apart by ethnic conflict.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 8, 2017 at 9:54

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/07/leftist-intellec...

“Leftist ‘Intellectuals’: It’s Racist for Trump to Defend the West”.

Look and learn, this is the Left in a nutshell. They have but one argument, which is that everyone that does not agree with their socialist ideals is a racist. 

Only White people are racists.

“West”!

-Peter Beinart, writing in The Atlantic, asserted: “The West is a racial and religious term.” He added: “To be considered Western, a country must be largely Christian (preferably Protestant or Catholic) and largely white.”-

(what you are not allowed to say becomes impossible to even think).

We are all now only Persons. I am no longer allowed to have a personal identity because that implies that I thereby discriminate everyone else and am a racist. Which would be fine if the rule applied to everyone. In the fantasy unverse of Leftist “thinking” however everyone is allowed to have an identity, except White European Christian Westerners.

I am a white european atheist western liberal-racist.

-In addition, Beinart also claimed that Trump’s statement that “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive,” a climax of the speech, “only makes sense as a statement of racial and religious paranoia.”

Looking towards Sweden, the Swedes have indeed lost the will to survive. The welfare state and socialist ideals have made them so. One of the prime objectives of socialism is to wipe out any and all differences between individuals.

Blood and soil, territory and kinship are not incompatible with democracy and liberty. In a true democracy given the freedom to choose, in my opinion, the collective self-interest will prevail.

-He also complained about what he saw as Trump’s implication “that American progressives, in their effort to expand the government’s influence on society, are the modern-day counterparts of the communists that threatened Poland.”-

But this is exactly what the socialists desire, absolute power, they do not believe in liberty and democracy. They want the all-powerful socialist state to decide how every person lives down to the tinyest detail. (as does Islam).

“…..It had nothing useful to say about today’s interconnected world in which goods, people and ideas have contempt for borders.”

Trump and White people want to create a global empire that exploits and excludes coloured people.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 4, 2017 at 14:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4aY6kEO3cw

Ibn Warraq: Why I am not a Muslim.

 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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