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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Latest Activity: yesterday

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony yesterday. 641 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 18. 38 Replies

Doxing the Doxers

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 9. 2 Replies

The US constitution

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2020. 2 Replies

How to Respond to Abuse from SJW & Leftists

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 18, 2020. 2 Replies

Fascism, Nazism and Socialism - collected articles

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20, 2020. 81 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Keir Starmer

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 3, 2020. 7 Replies

Good Words for Key Concepts

Started by Alan Lake Oct 17, 2019. 0 Replies

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Comment by Antony on October 2, 2021 at 14:42

Wokeism and our transhuman future ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XcEQNqR6mc

Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 16, 2021 at 14:54

"Flash for Freedom"- George MacDonald Fraser.
Flashman -(pretending to be Mr. Comber) thinks:
-I also carried away from that table an impression of Mr. (Abraham) Lincoln's views on slaves and slavery which must seem strange in the twentieth century since it varies somewhat from popular belief. I recall, for example, that at one point he described the negroes as "the most confounded nuisance on this continent, not excepting the Democrats".
"Oh come", says someone,"that is a little hard. It is not their fault".
"It was not my fault that I caught the chicken pox" says Lincoln, " but I can assure you that while I was infected I was a most unconscionable nuisance- although I believe my family loved me dearly as ever".
"Come, that's better" laughs the other. " You may call the nigras a nuisance provided you love them too- that will safisfy even the sternest abolitionist".
"Yes I believe it would." says Lincoln. "And like so many satisfactory political statements, it would not be true. I try to love my fellow man, with varying success, the poor slaves among the rest. But the truth is I neither like nor dislike them more than any other creatures.
Now your stern abolitionist, because he detests slavery, feels he must love its victims, and so he insists on detecting in them qualities deserving unusual love. But in fact those qualities are not found in them, any more than in other people.
Your extreme anti-slaver mistakes compassion for love, and this leads him into a kind of nigra-worship which, on a rational examination, is by no means justified".
"Surely the victim of a misfortune as grievous as slavery does deserve special consideration though".
"Indeed," says Lincoln,"special consideration, by all means, just such as I recieved when I had the chicken pox. But having the chicken pox did not make me a worthier or better person, as some people seem to be the case with victims of slavery.
I tell you, sir, to listen to some of our friends, I could believe that every plantation and barracoon from Florida to the river is peopled by the disciples of Jesus. Reason tells me this is false; the slave being God's creature and a human soul, is no better than the rest of us.
But if I said as much to Cassius Clay he would try to prove me wrong at the point of his bowie knife".

Comment by Kinana on September 12, 2021 at 8:37

Islam never tires of persecuting people.  And the powers that be cooperate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9980927/University-clears-...

Comment by Antony on September 11, 2021 at 7:47
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 30, 2021 at 9:58

From GAB:
"Welcome to the secular hell of a post-truth world.
We don’t need to wear masks. No wait, now we do. Hold up now we need to wear two masks. We can stop wearing masks now. Surprise, we need to wear masks again. Actually it turns out masks aren’t as effective as we thought.
We just need 15 days to slow the spread. Now we need a month. Maybe a year. Never mind, we didn’t need to lockdown at all and it caused more harm than good.
Don’t take any vaccine that Donald Trump rushed to market. You didn’t get the vaccine, are you nuts? The vaccine is highly effective. Oops it looks like highly vaccinated Israel is having a major outbreak. Get the vaccine or lose your job."
( I think I have noticed that the the lies we are told by the powers that be and the depth of these lies has increased. Mostly though I put it all down to incompetence and mismanagement. And people keep producing large numbers of offspring and then wonder why their economy is declining, they cannot find employment and why there is poverty and starvation. This I put down to stupidity and ignorance.
Forcing your way from a poor country into a rich country is like the ship is sinking and there are a limited number of lifeboats, One by one the lifeboats become overfilled and sink. Everyone drowns.

Comment by Antony on August 28, 2021 at 19:28

What is the Mercantile Age ? ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbEFRKJZ8E

Comment by Antony on August 25, 2021 at 17:05
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 23, 2021 at 12:32

Socialists are basically opposed to freedom.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 14, 2021 at 17:48

Property is theft so owning your own country and culture means you deprived someone else of theirs. The country and culture that we owned has been taken from us and that is theft.

Comment by Antony on July 14, 2021 at 14:27

Tackling the Labour Theory of Value ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXzvx3wdqRk

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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