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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: 15 hours ago

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

Failed Heroes of the Left - Tariq Ramadan

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake yesterday. 1 Reply

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake on Wednesday. 1 Reply

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 17. 404 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 17. 23 Replies

Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 22. 4 Replies

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

Alt-Right and the media.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Apr 23. 28 Replies

Hitler: inside the mind of a dictator

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 25. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 18 Replies

Family Discussions and Christmas

Started by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 0 Replies

Weasel Words and Wrong Translated Words

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2016. 5 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton 15 hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxglLVlcVeM

It is defeatist, you have to focus on the positive in humanity while defending yourself from the evil. If you are not prepared to die for your children then you might as well commit suicide, but like everyone else you only have the right to kill in self defense. No one has the right to press the doomsday button, though I do think nature would be better off without us, we are here and we have a duty to life and to fight to preserve life. Giving up is not an option. Human beings are unlikely to change, so fight for what you believe in even if there can be no final victory. You can make the world, your world a better place. Right now socialism has failed and done enough damage and Islam is the greatest threat to our well-being. We need law and order in order to defend our freedom and happiness, everything criminal or that is totalitarian in nature has to be opposed, that gives meaning to life, that and caring for those that care for you.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Sunday

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/06/17/abbass-fatah-party-co...

-In a statement, Fatah called the deaths of the three assailants, who attacked at two locations near Jerusalem’s Old City, a “war crime.”-

It is important to understand the alternative logic of the Muslim mentality.

Thereby, the police that killed the three freedom fighters in the London Bridge attack commited a war-crime.

Fatah admits that it is at war with Israel, the implication being that Islam is at war with everything that is not Muslim. (The House of War and The House of Islam).

So what we falsely term terrorists are in fact soldiers fighting for a just cause.

The conclusion every muslim is bound to reach is that non-Muslims are to blame, in the wrong and are the aggressors and are morally wrong; Muslims are blameless in whatever they do and we others are always wrong and the bad-guys. The good guys the heroes are the "terrorists" and every Muslim sincerely believes that he is right and that the terror is justifiable self-defense. This is the sum of the teachings of Mohammed. Our only answer and chance to survive is to eradicate the Islam in our midst and to isolate ouselves otherwise from it by building "walls". a tried and proven defence strategy against enemy attack.

We have to be very clear and get this into perspective; Islam is at war with us, a war that will not end until Islam wins with a final and total victory.

In classical Islamic law, the major divisions are dar al-islam (lit. territory of Islam), denoting regions where Islamic law prevails,[3] dar al-sulh (lit. territory of treaty) denoting non-Islamic lands which have concluded an armistice with a Muslim government,[4] and dar al-harb (lit. territory of war), denoting adjoining non-Islamic lands whose rulers are called upon to accept Islam.[5]

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 12, 2017 at 14:32

A multi-racial(multicultural) society is bound to become a multi-racist society, riddled with; ethnic conflict, divided loyalties, and a lack of cooperation such that the society(nation) ceases to exist(function).

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 8, 2017 at 9:14

Homosexuality is a non-problem.

Leave gay people alone and they will leave you alone.

Leave a Muslim alone and he will plot to, and, kill or enslave you.

Anyone that is a victim of or an enemy of Islam is my ally. Any issues I have with gays, christians, hindus, jews, any foreigners, or even socialists are secondary. We must unite in the face of a common enemy that wants to destroy us all. We can get back to our petty and unimportant squabbles after final victory= the extermination of the religion and ideology of Islam.

As Muslims are inseparable from Islam they are all my enemy until they renounce Islam and cease to be Muslim. How can you ever trust a so-called moderate-Muslim?

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 8, 2017 at 8:59

The facts, the truth, are in the fossil record, not in the Bible.

Likewise:

The facts, the reality, are in the disgusting behaviour of Muslims, not in the wishful-thinking liberal-socialist Book of Morality.

It is the task of the Muslims to free themselves from Islam, not ours. Our task is to defend ourselves against Islam.

Islam is suffering, sacrifice and death; blind obedience to an imaginary being, and to It’s cruel and destructive laws. 

Islam is the antithesis of; “…Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 8, 2017 at 1:27

Both the original writer, and most of the subsequent posters have got this incident wrong.
https://altright.com/2017/03/03/this-is-the-future-liberals-want

The drag queen should be seen as a celebration of Western values, not a degeneration. They are enjoying the freedom, without exploiting it in order to destroy the entire system. Please dont be like a rightist parrot, repeating the lines that allow the fascist left to classify you as simply a bit dim and old fashioned. If you disagree with this, then please show me the Drag Queen Manifesto, similar to the Muslim Brotherhood Manifesto, which outlines how Drag Queens are going to destroy secular democracy.

Comment by Antony on June 7, 2017 at 10:45

Social Justice - we've won the battle but not the war ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhs5VKP1oYw&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 6, 2017 at 14:33

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/05/pictures-thousands-atten...

After each Muslim terrorist attack the most disgusting pro-Islam propaganda campaign always swings into action.

It’s like praising a sadistic mass-murderer for his deeds.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 4, 2017 at 15:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULJtLrCVCRA

Black Pigeon: London: A Society with Collective Cognitive Dissonance

We have to give up on the idea that people can think for themselves. Large numbers vote for the socialists every time there is an election. If people were actually thinking they would be voting for nationalist, anti-islamist and anti-immigration politicians; for closed borders and national self interest; and for the deportation of muslims and other vermin. People have been taught that there is only one way to think, the way that their betters think, so they let their betters think for them. Unfortunately their betters think in the way that the socialists have taught them to think; through the media and educational institutions that the socialists run. The socialist version of the truth is exactly that, just one version of the truth, and wrong for a patriot.

Some people actually do think for themselves, but who is there for them to vote for? Even the anti-discrimination laws are against them, and by restricting speech also restrict thought and communication and political freedom. It takes an effort of real will power, in the face of these adversities, to stay the course and to maintain enough self-respect to be capable of thinking against or even speaking out against, or to vote against something that you feel in the fibre of your being is wrong. This destruction of your culture, your folk and your heritage- everything that is you and yours and given to you. Given now away by feeble minded leaders versed in socialistic thought patterns,(open borders and equal rights for anyone and everyone) that consider themselves to be morally superior to you.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 3, 2017 at 13:07

http://www.newsweek.com/jefferson-constitution-and-quran-why-foundi...

Why Jefferson's defense of Muslims matters today.

We have to win the battle for hearts and minds, we just cannot allow this sort of drivel to dominate the debate.

There is so much nonsense, the worse Muslims behave the more determined the Left are to defend them. It could just be because they fear that the truth about the fallacy of their own beliefs will be revealed. Neither the Muslims nor the Left are interested in truth, all they want to do is suppress opposition. It is still a mystery to me though why they are allies.

By truth I mean rational and objective conclusions reached through open debate about reality and factual situations. A sort of consensus of opinion about what can be termed truth or not. No system of belief is qualified to claim to own the truth or to be entirely right. Truth has to be an open subject.

Most people think that they are on the right side, which means there can be no right side. Just individuals pursuing what is best for themselves and agreeing in general terms as to what is best for their particular group. At the next level what might be beneficial for humanity as a whole. 

Everyone has a right to an opinion but no one has a right to force their opinion on others. Then we should try to agree on fair and just terms of behaviour, rules and laws, customs and traditions. What is right and true has to be a continual debate, in which all participate (speaking ideally of course and naively).

I do not think that Jefferson would defend Islam today, it betrays every principle that he held dear.

 

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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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