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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

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Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

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Terminal Societal Sickness

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Comment by Philip Smeeton yesterday

By loving all of humanity except themselves, the Socialists and Christians have discovered a formula for moral infallibility.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Sunday

I think the crime rate and the ethnic identity of the criminals is an indication as to whether multiculturalism is beneficial or not.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 9, 2017 at 16:14

The current debate between civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism, is a reprise of what ive been going on about for years, as the context between tribalism/gangsterism and open, democratic systems.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 9, 2017 at 12:53

Like it or not, it is actually, right now, whites against everyone else. Race if ignored will remain a factor however much wishful thinking tries to say that it does not matter. It is simple, we need something to identify with, in order to understand who we are as an individual, and in order to strengthen our sense of self-worth. The more the group that we belong to has in common with us the better.
A common history, culture, language and descent is essential. The immigrants that enter Europe and North America now do not share our history and culture their descent is elsewhere.
Blood and soil are not just concepts for right wing extremists they are something we all share and that if we lose, renders us isolated, alone and defenseless. Who are we and to what do we belong, humanity? Humanity is too complex and diverse to identify with.
Racism is necessary, as is nationalism in order that any state based on freedom, truth, consent and solidarity can function. My tribe is me. Socialist globalism is a recipe for disaster, it will generate conflict not put an end to it. Too many are unrealistically impotent because they have fallen into the trap of trying to prove that they are not racist, and have failed to realise or can admit that, for the time being, nationalism, the peaceful cooperation between unique nation states is our best option. The best option for all of humanity.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 9, 2017 at 0:52
Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 8, 2017 at 10:09

Which is probably why Katie Hopkins made that speech. Nothing to lose anymore.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 8, 2017 at 9:02

Actually Philip, she wasn't. Her contract had already ended before she made that speech.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 7, 2017 at 16:23

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/katie-hopkins-muslims...

Katie Hopkins was fired by the Mail for making that speech at the Freedon Center.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 5, 2017 at 18:01
Comment by Antony on December 3, 2017 at 21:40

Jordan Peterson refuses to debate ethno-nationalists ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyxH8EU4CM&feature=em-uploademail

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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