It takes a nation to protect the nation
Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution
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Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.
Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.
Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.
Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Thursday
Key Info
Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.
The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary
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- "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
- "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961
Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk
Discussion Forum
Terminal Societal Sickness
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 31. 6 Replies 0 Likes
James Burnham
Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 6. 19 Replies 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left - Tariq Ramadan
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 22. 1 Reply 0 Likes
The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply 0 Likes
The Power Elite
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 17. 404 Replies 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Sadiq Khan
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 8. 5 Replies 0 Likes
Dumb Kuffar: Terrorist Incident Death Counts
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 7. 1 Reply 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Mark Zuckerberg
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 29. 7 Replies 0 Likes
Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies 1 Like
Jordan Peterson: Top Articles
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 1 Reply 0 Likes
The Best of Mark Steyn
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Mohammed Ali
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 3. 14 Replies 0 Likes
Alt-Right and the media.
Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Apr 23. 28 Replies 0 Likes
Hitler: inside the mind of a dictator
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply 0 Likes
Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara
Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 25. 9 Replies 0 Likes
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Comment by Antony on Thursday -
The Alt Right - what went wrong ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VYmY89_KU&feature=em-uploademail
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Comment by Philip Smeeton on Thursday -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHe8vM1dkWE
I wonder how long it will be before everyone telling our version of the truth and stating indisputable fact is shut down.
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Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 11, 2017 at 16:57
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Socialism is theory not reality, it is incompatible with reality and human nature. As an idea it is interesting, as a form of government it is devastating. We have to make things up as we go along as best we can, improvise. Living by a static set of rules is no life at all.
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Comment by Antony on August 9, 2017 at 18:46
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Why do Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, Douglas Murray & Peter Hitchens not discuss the issue of race ? ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpoZSxeF2MM&feature=em-uploademail
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Comment by paul collings on August 9, 2017 at 18:40 -
The joys of Socialism
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Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 8, 2017 at 9:16
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Thank You Antony.
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Comment by Antony on August 8, 2017 at 6:28
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Something is broken in the UK intellectual sphere http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/nassim-taleb-warns-somethi...
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Comment by Antony on August 7, 2017 at 20:52
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Now up !
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Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 7, 2017 at 17:34
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Tried everything can't get in logged in and logged out just got my own blogg. If you can be bothered do it, thanks.
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Comment by Antony on August 7, 2017 at 15:56
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Phil - just checked the vox site - sb b ok if u click on the comments section on the bottom line, then click on "publish" once you've written - if still no joy, I could do it.
Muslim Terrorism Count
Mission Overview
Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
We need to capture this information before it is removed. The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.
We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
The 4 Freedoms
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper).
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"
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