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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: Nov 30

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

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Discussion Forum

Failed Heroes of the Left: George Soros

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 5. 3 Replies

Basic Political Principles.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20. 7 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 18. 38 Replies

Fascism, Nazism and Socialism - collected articles

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 25. 85 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 30. 42 Replies

Lauren Southern - leaving politics

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 31, 2022. 5 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Keir Starmer

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Feb 15, 2022. 8 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Feb 7, 2022. 664 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jan 2, 2022. 32 Replies

Doxing the Doxers

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 9, 2021. 2 Replies

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Mar 2, 2021. 336 Replies

The US constitution

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2020. 2 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 30, 2023 at 8:28

(The Quran and Bible are books of nonsense masquerading as wisdom and truth).
Who Wrote the Qur'an | What Sources Were Used?
The Historical Method.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 29, 2023 at 9:20
How women changed the university atmosphere
(We have undermined our culture, and the virility of it, with kindness . We are killing ourselves with kindness).

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 26, 2023 at 9:29

Surat Al-Mā'idah
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
(Those that call Islam the Religion of Peace leave out "...unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land..." from 5:32 and do not include 5.33 are criminally negligent.)
(Here Mohammed condemns the Jews, Children of Israel, as transgressors guilty of corruption. Indeed anyone that opposes Islam or refuses to convert is guilty of corruption and transgression. 5:33 defines the bestial punishment for corruption. Mohammed also sanctions revenge killing here.."unless for a soul "....)
-"...that they(Muslims) be exiled from the land...." Is our only certain cure against Islam.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 11, 2023 at 17:56
Multiculturalism is 'a miracle of STUPIDITY' | Jordan Peterson talks Trump, Sunak and Israel

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 28, 2023 at 7:41

Ayn Rand.
We can learn from anyone that says sensible things that we can agree with. But we must not have blind-belief in anyone or anything or any idea or philosophy or system of belief. It does come down to the individual and our own self-centred needs. In other words we cannot and should not agree completely with anyone. We have to weigh the pros and cons of anyone that we interact with. To which degree are they compatible with with "ME" and to what degree are they incompatible. We can also learn from people that we completely disagree with. All we can do is attempt to be objective and sort that which is constructive and useful from that which is destructive and harms us physically, or psychologically. What threatens or benefits the core of that which is Me and all that I care for. We are allowed to hate as well as love or to be indifferent.
Know thyself and understand the reality of the world that you interact with, the good and the evil and the harmless. Reject religion in all of its manifestations.

Comment by Antony on October 27, 2023 at 9:28
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 20, 2023 at 22:27

Of course most of the manipulation is instinctive, and the seller actually believes what he is saying. Which makes him dangerous, the most convincing "liars" are the ones that believe that what they are saying is true.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 20, 2023 at 22:22

Edward Bernays
Public Relations (1945), book.
"Of his many books, Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) gained special attention as early efforts to define and theorize the field of public relations. Citing works of writers such as Gustave Le Bon, Wilfred Trotter, Walter Lippmann, and Sigmund Freud (his own double uncle), he described the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct—and he outlined how skilled practitioners could use crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in desired ways. Bernays later synthesized many of these ideas in his postwar book, Public Relations (1945), which outlines the science of managing information released to the public by an organization, in a manner most advantageous to the organization."
(How advertising, entertainment and everything else became political and intended and used to indoctrinate the masses). You have to be constantly aware that most of what you are presented with by every form of media is designed to shape your mind. Fortunately some people have a natural ability to recognise falsity. Everyone is selling something.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 20, 2023 at 10:16

They shouldn't abuse the term racist, it is stupid of them. Racist is a clearly defined definition. But when you are dealing with feeble minds what can you expect?

At the same time they claim that race does not exist and is a social construct. So how can anyone be a racist?

Racist: A person that discriminates against or is prejudiced towards someone based on their race.

Comment by Antony on August 19, 2023 at 8:42

The Crucial Existential debate of our time ! - Is it racist to like Big Butts ?! ;


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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