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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake on Saturday. 0 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 6. 2 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Oct 5. 407 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25. 8 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10. 2 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies

James Burnham

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tariq Ramadan

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 22. 1 Reply

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply

Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on Sunday

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-kick-nazis-off-twitter-1738...

Here's how to kick nazis off your Twitter right now

It does not change the fact that hate speech has to be allowed if you can claim to have a Democracy and a free society. Only direct incitement to violence can be forbidden. Hating someone or something  is expressing an opinion.

I believe that the Nazis exterminated people, and I do not believe that a global Zionist conspiracy exists, but I also believe that people should be allowed to deny the Holocaust and wear swastikas if they want. Only the common laws that protect life and property are necessary. Hate-speech and hate-crime laws are always going to be abused for political reasons. Thought, speech and opinion has to be allowed. Explicit incitement to violence cannot be allowed.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Saturday

Socialism is the cult of equality.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Friday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAp1ZGLx6R4&t=8s

Millionaires Explaining To You Why A College Degree Is Useless.

You need a basic education that will enable you to pursue your own life-long self-education. Anyone that is not interested in knowledge will not self-educate and will remain ignorant. General higher-education has become indoctrination into socialist ideology. An education should be ethically neutral and equip you to reason objectively based on factual information, it should not be political. Given the ability to think independently, it is then up to the individual to choose which path his life is to take according to his ability. The education should give the student a realistic understanding of his ability and possibilities and encourage him to believe in himself and to strive for self-improvement. Too many values are given and accepted without question. Higher education institutions are of course necessary to teach necessary specialist skills.

Politics and religions have no place in educational institutions other than as objects to be scrutinized.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 9, 2017 at 10:14

The short version is, a Muslim is allowed to do virtually anything that he wants to any non-Muslim.

This "tiny minority" of Muslim terrorists is supported and approved of by at least 30% of all Muslims. There are 1.8 billion Muslims.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 9, 2017 at 6:02

Video Speech on Muhamad and on radical Islam history, by Brigitte Gabriel, a Christian and  head of ACT organization who lived among the Muslims in Lebanon   n:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8J62BqRMo

 In summary of Brigitte Gabriel speech: (please forward this data summary by emails- it is without ideology but with facts)

* 270 million people were killed by Muslims (without any big war like WWII or atom bomb)

*In 2013 a pole  with Manty Muslims in five Muslim countries who were asked: "would you like to establish the sharia law in the entire world- that was before ISIS came up-  77% (seventy seven) said "yes" for sharia law around the world

* Intelligent studies show that 15 to 25% of Muslims are radicals  

* Lie is permitted by the Koran if you do it on non-Muslim

* Muhamad signed a 10 years treaty agreement with the Mecca Arab leaders but Muhamad attacked his enemy after two years by surprise, killed most of them and took over Mecca- it called Hudebiya .

* Any agreement with Iran mean nothing to them per the following Hudebeiya – which means- Muslim should ignore any agreement with non-Muslim within 10 years, per Islamic law, set by Muhamad;

* Arafat sign agreement with  Israel and broke the Oslo accord after 8 years and start the second intifada in 2000, same as Muhamad did.

* Arafat answer to Muslim who criticize him about the  peace agreement with Israel- "remember the Hudebiya" – which is an Islamic principle of war set by Muhamad- Muslim should ignore any agreement with non-Muslim within 10 years;  every Muslim understand it accept the Israelis and the western people who signed the peace agreement.

* ISIS is a continuation of the  Muslim Califat which ended 100 years ago

 and a more on the Muslims is on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCzoeZbn90

with Recent study on Islam show "560,000,000 Muslims want to kill us"

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 4, 2017 at 8:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBiWm3ljv0

politicalislam.com

Bill Warner.

Comment by Antony on October 3, 2017 at 7:28

Modern Times - Camille Paglia and Jordan B Peterson ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 30, 2017 at 23:18

Videos taken down.

Use certain words and you are removed, which means we cannot discuss the problems that are destroying our societies. One of these words is a four letter word that begins with r and ends with e and has a and c in the middle, another word is milsum, spelt backwards. Banning discussion will not make the problems go away, it will make them worse because arriving at practical solutions will become impossible. 

Comment by Antony on September 30, 2017 at 18:43
Comment by Antony on September 30, 2017 at 6:41
 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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