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Britain Bans Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer — Welcomes Che Guevara’s Daughter

July 1, 2013 By Humberto Fontova 10 Comments

After slamming the door on American radio star Michael Savage four years ago the British government now slams it on American authors Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The British Home Secretary banned Savage for “extremist views and fostering hatred.”

“The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate,” is how the British Home office explains its recent barring of Geller and Spencer.

Yet for the past five years (if not longer) Britain has opened her arms to visits by Che Guevara’s daughter, Aleida. Che’s daughter visits Britain to promote, in her own words: “my father’s ideals, his concerns, and his ambitions. I believe that my father is a banner to the world.” Her last visit was in September 2012 where among other “promotions of her father’s ideals” she demonstrated in front of the U.S. embassy.

In an interview with Britain’s The Guardian Aleida Guevara boasted: 

“I want to be like Che and fight until final victory, then you feel elated. It is preferable to sink in the sea than to betray the glory that once lived!”

And what was this glory? Well, her father was 2nd in command of a regime that murdered more Cubans in its first three years in power than Hitler’s murdered Germans during its first six, jailed and tortured political prisoners at a higher rate than Stalin during the Great Terror, and came the closest of anyone in history to starting a worldwide nuclear war. In the above process of “glory” Aleida’s father helped convert a nation with a higher per-capita income than half of Europe and a huge influx of immigrants into one that repels Haitians and boasts the highest suicide rate in the Hemisphere.

Let’s have a further look at Aleida’s father’s “ideals.” And let’s keep uppermost in mind that what got Geller, Savage and Spencer banned from Britain was their purported “fostering of extremist views and hatred.”

“Hatred is the central element of our struggle!” raved Che Guevara in his 1966 Message to the Tricontinental Conference in Havana.

“Hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him a violent and cold-blooded killing machine…We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow… These hyenas [Americans] are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!”

Aleida’s father had raved as early as his “Motorcycle Diaries” (though this passage was somehow omitted from Robert Redford’s heartwarming movie):

“My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood.”  “Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any vencido that falls in my hands! With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!”

Vencido, by the way, translates into English as “defeated” or “surrendered.” And Aleida’s father made good on his boast. The “acrid odor of gunpowder and blood” rarely reached Che Guevara’s nostril from actual combat. It always came from the close-range murder of bound, gagged or blindfolded men (and boys). “The Black Book of Communism,” written by French scholars and published in English by Harvard University Press (neither an outpost of the vast right-wing conspiracy), estimates 16,000 firing squad executions in Cuba by the end of the 1960s, the equivalent, given the relative populations, of over a million executions in the U.S.

Aleida’s father delighted in delivering the coup de grâce to dozens of these victims. When office work (signing execution warrants) tore him away from his beloved execution pits, Che slaked his blood-thirst by having a special window installed in his office so he could watch his busy and beloved firing squads at work, beaming at the spectacle.

Among Aleida Guevara’s father’s favorite pastimes was taunting his murder victims’ families. Che Guevara was famous for driving the mothers of his young murder victims to near suicidal despair. He’d often give the mothers an audience in his office. Then as they pleaded for their sons’ life Che would often grab his telephone and bark the orders to execute her son that very night. Often the mother was privileged to hear the firing squad volley that murdered her son, many of them in their teens.

“When you saw the beaming look on Che’s face as the victims were tied to the stake and blasted apart by his firing squads,” said former Cuban political prisoner Roberto Martin-Perez, to this writer, “you saw there was something seriously, seriously wrong with Che Guevara.”

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, it should be pointed out, were scheduled to speak at a London event condemning the murder of an innocent and defenseless Briton by a murderous ideologue.

Aledia Guevara speaks in London to promote a cowardly murderous ideologue, her father.

But the British government gives no indication that in the process of “promoting her fathers’ ideals” of glory Aleida Guevara presented the slightest offense to Britain’s “standards and values.”

Alas, when Aleida’s father finally found himself up against armed and determined enemies in Bolivia, all his bloodthirsty bluster vanished in a “poof.” “Don’t shoot!” he whimpered to his U.S.-trained Bolivian captors as he dropped his fully loaded weapons. “I’m Che! I’m worth more to you alive than dead!”

His Bolivian captors viewed the matter differently. In fact they adopted a policy that has since become a favorite among Americans who encounter (so-called) endangered species on their property: “Shoot, shovel and shut up.” Justice has never been better served.

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Well Alan, I guess the Bolivians have a short memory

An image depicting Osama Bin Laden and guerrillas leader Ernesto "Che" is seen at the back of a passenger bus in the outskirts of La Paz, Bolivia 

The words read 

"No, contenders".

I wonder why the leftists do not include the Che quote in the middle of this article in speeches at their rallies....http://frontpagemag.com/2013/humberto-fontova/as-beyonce-and-jay-z-...

Imprisoned Cuban Rappers Tormented While Jay-Z & Beyonce Partied

As Jay-Z and Beyonce filmed their tourism commercial for the Castro regime last week some Cuban rappers were languishing in KGB-designed dungeons and suffering hunger-strikes not far from the cameras. Angel Arzuaga and Marcos Lima were among them. These Cuba rappers’ crimes (according to the criminal code of Jay-Z’s hosts and commercial beneficiaries) consisted of playing and even listening to rap-music.

But this Cuban version of rap, you see, failed to properly express the mass genuflections to Jay-Z’s hosts (the Castro regime) which are a requirement of Cuban music as recorded under the Castro-Stalinist regime. These Cuban rappers failed to issue the obligatory hosannas and hallelujahs to the racist and Stalinist beneficiaries of Jay-Z’s tourism infomercial.

The “edgy”  and “irreverent” Jay-Z, by the way, in a spanking new rap song, disses the critics of his Castroite infomercial as “idiots.”

The Negro is indolent and spends his money on frivolities and drink, the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent…The Negro has maintained his racial purity by his well known habit of avoiding baths.

Che Guevara wrote these lines in his famous “Motorcycle Diaries.”  But you will search Robert Redford’s famous movie based on the book in utter vain for their mention. Redford, this muscular champion of “artistic freedom,” by the way, meekly acquiesced in screening “The Motorcycle Diaries” for Che’s widow (who heads Cuba’s Che Guevara Studies Center) and Fidel Castro for their approval before release.

“N**ger!” taunted my jailers between tortures,” reported the world’s longest suffering black political prisoner about his torment. “We pulled you down from the trees and cut off your tail!” laughed my torturers. For months I was naked in a 6 x 4 foot cell. That’s four feet high, so you couldn’t stand. But I felt a great freedom inside myself. I refused to commit spiritual suicide.”

That wasn’t Nelson Mandela.  No, the prisoner was a black Cuban named Eusebio Peñalverwhose incarceration and torture at the hands of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara’s Stalinist regime stretched to 29 years, surpassing Nelson Mandela’s record in time behind bars and probably quintupling the horrors suffered by Mandela during this period.

Sr. Peñalver served several months of this almost thirty-year sentence in a “punishment cell” barely big enough to stand in, where he languished naked and in complete darkness.

“Castro’s apologists,” he said in an interview with this writer, “those who excuse or downplay his crimes — these people be they ignorant, stupid, mendacious whatever–they are accomplices in the bloody tyrant’s crimes, accomplices in the most brutal and murderous regime in the hemisphere.”

More perspective: according to anti-Apartheid activists a grand total of 3,000 political prisoners passed through South Africa’s Robben Island prison in roughly 30 years under the Apartheid regime. Usually about a thousand were held. These were out of a South African population of 40 million.

According to the Human Rights group Freedom House, a grand total of 500,000 political prisoners have passed through Castro’s various prisons and forced labor camps. At one time in 1961, some 300,000 Cubans were jailed for political offenses. This is out of a Cuban population in 1960 of 6.4 million.

A calculator will easily reveal the grotesque disparity between the repression practiced by Jay-Z’s tourism clients and Apartheid repression. Fox & Friends, by the way, recently invited a Frontpage columnist to discuss these ironies and grotesqueries.

But why pick on Jay-Z? Should we expect more sense from a ghetto-raised rapper than from the ultra-educated daughter of worldwide conservative icon Margaret Thatcher?  Meet the Iron Lady’s daughter, Carol, during her own Cuba visit (i.e. enrichment of the Stalinist regime) three years ago:

I hoped to get a snap taken…standing by a wrought-iron image of the revolutionary HERO Che Guevara…. Che is your constant companion on any trip to Cuba. His image is everywhere-more so than Fidel himself. Such was his presence that our tour was dubbed “On Yer Bike With Che.”

But why pick on the Iron Lady’s daughter?  Here’s libertarian icon Murray Rothbard, whose relationship with Ron Paul was such that he even wrote the preface to one of Paul’s books. Ron Paul regards Rothbard as one of America’s “greatest men” and “greatest heroes of freedom.” Rand Paul, by the way, considers it an honor to have met Murray Rothbard and a “privilege” to have once driven him to the airport.

In 1967 Murray Rothbard seemed highly bereaved and aggrieved to hear of Che Guevara’s whacking. Here’ the libertarian icon’s encomium to the Stalinist who outlawed private property under penalty of torture-chamber and firing-squad:

Che is dead, and we all mourn him. Long live Che!  Why? How is it that so many libertarians mourn this man?…What made Che such an heroic figure for our time is that he, more than any man of our epoch or even of our century, was the living embodiment of the principle of Revolution… we all knew that his enemy was our enemy–that great Colossus that oppresses and threatens all the peoples of the world, U. S. imperialism… The most fitting memorial to Che was the intensely moving speech about his death delivered by his old comrade-in-arms, Fidel Castro.

But why pick on Murray Rothbard?

When it comes to the factual Che Guevara, amigos, what we have here is a serious failure to communicate. Today the world’s largest Che mural (the one Carol Thatcher smilingly posed before) adorns Cuba’s Ministry of the Interior, the headquarters for Cuba’s KGB- and STASI-trained secret police. Nothing could be more fitting

But a corrective to all this “ignorance” does exist.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/humberto-fontova/as-beyonce-and-jay-z-...

Fascist Left denounce film showing that Cuba put gay men in concentration camps.  Gays sacrificed to defending the reputation of genocidal communists, just as they are sacrificed to defending the reputation of genocidal muslims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/may/07/filmnews.cuba

Peter Tatchell still supports the pro-islamic, pro-homophobia Left.

The repression did not begin to ease until the mid-1970s, and even then it was not because Cuba's leaders recognised their error. They halted mass detentions and reduced sentences largely because they were shamed by the international protest campaigns organised by newly formed gay liberation movements. A more significant softening of attitudes took place in the 1980s. With the advent of Aids, the Cuban authorities eventually showed greater tolerance towards homosexuals in order to win their confidence and support for safer sex. At around the same time came the secondment to Cuba of east German doctors and psychologists, who viewed homosexuality as a natural minority condition.

The 1979 penal code formally decriminalised homosexuality, but the legal status of lesbian and gay people in Cuba is still ambiguous. Homosexual behaviour causing a "public scandal" can be punished by up to 12 months in jail. Discreet open-air cruising in public squares and parks is tolerated, although often kept under police surveillance. Homosexuals are still deemed unfit to join the Communist party, and this can have an adverse impact on a person's career when appointments depend on party membership. Lesbian and gay newspapers and organisations are not permitted. The Cuban Association of Gays and Lesbians, formed in 1994, was suppressed in 1997 and its members arrested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2001/jun/08/cuba.artsfeatures

Strangely, that piece by Tatchell does not even mention that in the 1980s Cuba cast adrift into the sea, boatloads of men who had AIDS.  The caring communists, with "the greatest public health system in the world" (according to the likes of Michael Moore), did not care if these sick men just drowned at sea.

My gay socialist friends, published authors, love to go to Cuba.  My other friends wonder why I am so vitriolic about these "gay socialists".

There is a common bond of hatred of the other between these two people, Osama bin Laden and Che.  Here are a few quotes from the Al-Qaeda Reader

‘As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High’s Word: [read Qur'an 60:4 ]… So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility, and an internal hate from the heart. And this fierce hostility – that is, battle – ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [a dhimmi], or if the Muslims are [at that point in time] weak and incapable [of spreading Sharia law to the world]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the hearts, this is great apostasy; the one who does this [i.e. extinguishes the hate from his heart] will stand excuseless before Allah.

‘Allah Almighty’s Word to His Prophet recounts in summation the true relationship [read Qur'an 9:73]. Such, then is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred – directed from the Muslim to the infidel – is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them. The West perceives fighting, enmity, and hatred all for the sake of the religion as unjust, hostile, and evil. But who’s understanding is right – our notions of justice and righteousness, or theirs?’ (p. 43)

‘The Lord Almighty has commanded us to hate the infidels and reject their love. For they hate us and begrudge us our religion [i.e. way of life], wishing that we abandon it…There is a firm bond between loving the Lord, befriending the believers, and [waging] jihad in the path of Allah. Kindness and fair-dealing with those infidels who are not hostile toward us are not the same thing as friendship, which is forbidden.’ (p. 100)

Why the hatred? ‘Enmity and hate between us has been decreed from now until you renounce your infidelities, so we [must] start to disavow and hate you – ‘until you believe in Allah and Him alone’ – that is, until you exercise tawhid and worship Allah alone, partnerless, and break from whatever other idols and rivals you worship besides him.’ (p. 78).

Yo Anthony posted this video in the social room

To which Alan commented

Wow, that's good on so many levels

And I responded rather snarkily 

And it was disgusting on other levels

http://4freedoms.com/group/relaxation?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3...

As the social room is for relaxing, I will explain the reason for my snakiness here

Santana Management’s official response to the questions surrounding the Che Guevera T-shirt that Carlos wore at the Oscars

 At this year's Academy Awards, Carlos Santana was invited to perform, along with Antonio Banderas, the winner of Best Original Song:  "Al Otro Lado Del Dio" from The Motorcycle Diaries, a movie based on a nonfiction novel, the "Motorcycle Diaries" by Ernesto Guevara de la Serna and "Traveling With Che Guevara" by Alberto Granado.  For that occasion, Carlos Santana wore a shirt with a Che Guevara image from a famous graphic poster underneath his suit.

 The image was not intended to project a single note of the hatred, anger or revolutionary ruthlessness displayed when Che Guevara was a revolutionary leader in Cuba. It was worn to honor the soulful young man portrayed in the movie, who awoke to the struggle of the disenfranchised and who had a profound political epiphany during a journey across South America.  The image was not meant to be an endorsement about a man who helped to establish the Castro dictatorship in Cuba.  

 Carlos Santana has always preached non-violence and spiritual awakening to promote a consciousness evolution, not revolution.  The film and book portrayed Che as a person who cared about the poor and the needy.  Santana Management hopes that those people who were offended by the image will understand the intention in which Carlos displayed it.

http://www.santana.com/Archived-News-Articles/564/ 

What a load of trollup,

 So Santana has always preached non-violence and spiritual awakening to promote a consciousness evolution, not revolution.

Yo

'Santana canceled concert because of anti-Israel pressure'

Sources in Israeli production team claim guitarist received messages that 'it's better' not to perform in Israel

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3841916,00.html

Yet

 Alla Kushnir is coming for the second time to Eilat, after wowing the audience in her performances and energetic workshops in 2011. She has absolute control over her abs and a charisma that controls the room whenever she is in it. She is a fun dancer of stage and off it and we are happy to present her again!

Che showing his sadistic and cruel Saddam Hussein credentials in yet another story.  A mother came to Che's fortress at La Cabana on Monday, to beg for the life of her 15 year old son, who was to be executed on Friday.  Instead Che had him brought and executed immediately, "so his mother doesn't have to wait till Friday".  Thus he deprived the pair of them of 4 days, and cursed the mother with guilt for that, for the rest of her life.  He was truly an evil, despicable man, the man that all the Leftards have on their t-shirts.  That plus more dirt, in the attached scan (for archival purposes) from the National Review.

Attachments:

Here's another one from South America: Pablo Neruda.  I'm putting this link here whilst deciding if it warrants its own forum.
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=12173

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