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It takes a nation to protect the nation

This isn't really a 4 Freedoms issue, but since it keeps coming up, and its interesting and it interplays into questions of how to construct a non-collapsing democracy, this forum can be used to collect interesting articles and discussions in this area. 

First off, a long discussion with Richard Spencer, Sargon of Akkad, and Styxhexenhammer666. It is very long, but you can try listen to it while travelling, washing up, etc, as it is worth the effort, and possibly, historically significant.

I have to agree with the general comments that Sargon comes out looking foolish from this, and I have to upgrade my opinion of Richard Spencer: he is definitely intelligent, knows his stuff, and has good arguments and some revolutionary ideas.  One of the latter is when he points out in his intro that fundamentally conservatism is collectivist and socialism is individualist.  He also points out that a 'conservatism' that doesn't 'conserve' things, is, somewhat tautologically, pointless.

Tags: Civic, Ethnic, Nationalism, v.

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The following video is an interesting comment on the question of 'racist' attitudes.  If any of those interviewed below had expressed the same views as a white person, they would have been doxed and their lives destroyed by now.  But apparently, its ok in the US to express racist discrimination, as long as you are the right race. 

'socialism is individualist...'

I don't understand that one for sure. I am reading 'The Road to Serfdom' by Hayek and he says, and to my mind proves, just the opposite   

You need to listen to Spencer's 5 minute self-intro to get his point.

Just took ur sentence  

Will have a listen soonish


The Privilege of Trevor Noah - (this issue is fundamentally about civic nationalism v. ethnic nationalism)


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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