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LibDems labelling HJS as "far right". Douglas Murray was ostracised from the Tory party. Anyone who criticises islam is regarded as "far right".  Even Student Rights is now being cast in that vein.

Looks like Douglas Murray needn't have bothered trying to keep clear water between him and EDL.

Presumably Harry's Place and One Law For All are going to be designated as "far right" too.  Peter Tatchll better keep his head down, or he too will find himself lumped alongside Enoch Powell, Hitler, Genghis Khan and Tamerlaine.  Oh, hang on, the latter could never be "far right" no matter how many people he killed, because he was a muslim.

Since WW2, which world leader proudly declared himself a fascist?  The muslim leader Mawdudi.  But he can't be a fascist because, by defintion, only those opposed to islam can be considered fascist.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/06/mps-deserting-student-ri...

Politicians are deserting counter-extremism group Student Rights, the Huffington Post UK can exclusively reveal, following the group's controversial campus extremism report, as well as links with a far-right society.

One MP has already resigned as an advisor for the organisation, whose recent study was criticised by student leaders as a "witch hunt", while another is considering following suit.

Tom Brake, Liberal Democrat MP, has left the Student Rights' board, shortly after resigning from the Henry Jackson Society think tank. The Carshalton and Wallington MP threw the towel in following comments from the HJS' senior executive Douglas Murray.

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Tom Brake, left, has resigned, while Jim Fitzpatrick is considering removing himself from the board

 

Earlier this year, Murray complained London had become a "foreign country", while in 2006, he said conditions for Muslims should be made "harder".

In an email, Brake told HuffPost UK blogger Hilary Aked: "I am no longer listed on their website and I have also asked for my name to be removed from the Student Rights advisory board."

Brake has already been replaced by Ghaffar Hussain, director of training at the Quilliam Foundation, another group which "challenges extremism".

Labour MP Jim Fitzpatrick is also looking to distance himself from the group.

Aked emailed Fitzpatrick voicing her concerns about Student Rights' "poor research methods and muddling the debate about extremism with the issue of segregation on campuses".

Fitzpatrick, MP for Poplar and Limehouse, replied saying he had requested his name be removed from Student Rights' advisory board "in light of these developments" and the group's "recent conduct".

However Fitzpatrick has since told HuffPost UK he has asked to be removed from the board but "decided to seek a meet with them first to clarify some recent issues before doing so completely".

The MP declined to disclose which issues he would be discussing.

Aked, a student at Bath University, said: "It's a positive sign that two MPs have decided to disassociate themselves from Student Rights, a non-transparent pressure group with no legitimacy among actual students and a track record of producing shoddy research.

"As a project of the Henry Jackson Society whose political support is also hemorrhaging because of Douglas Murray's Islamophobic statements, this further dents its credibility and hopefully it will reduce the platform the mainstream media gives it to spread its toxic narrative which only serves to whip up fear and mistrust."

LibDem Councillor Lord Monroe Palmer said he would not be resigning immediately but as a result of the study he would "monitor" his position as advisor as well as future Student Rights reports.

Student Rights' campus extremism study, which was published in May, was heavily criticised by student communities - both Muslim and non-Muslim. Mohamed Harrath, a student union executive at the London School of Economics, said the group was trying to "ramp up" the effects of Islamophobia on Muslim students.

"There is only one voice that is speaking about extremism on campus and it [Student Rights] completely distorts everything", he said at the time. "Other voices must be heard."

Pete Mercer, vice-president welfare officer for the National Union of Students dubbed the report a "witch hunt".

“We would welcome an open and balanced discussion about gender issues and religion but it’s important that contributions aren’t hysterical and that the word ‘extremism’ isn’t thrown around without justification," he said. "A witch hunt which makes sweeping judgments about student Islamic societies without knowing the details denies the women involved the very equality it claims to wish for them."

Following the backlash over its report, Student Rights released a statement blaming newspapers for "inaccurate" headlines which read: "At no point did we try to claim that our figures were representative of all student events, and those... who have an issue with inaccurate headlines should remember that for many media outlets the temptation to round up to the nearest exaggeration is often difficult to resist."

Other political figures on the advisory board include Robert Halfon, a Conservative MP, and Rt Hon Dr Kim Howells, a former Labour MP and minister of state.

Student Rights has yet to comment on the recent events.

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Tell Mama did exaggerate anti  muslim attacks ; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100266808/tell-mam...

The travesty show-trial of Tim Burton is over.  The judge acquitted him of all charges.

The disgrace is that the police/CPS should have ever taken it to trial.  The CPS is not supposed to initiate any prosecution unless they have a high degree of confidence that they will win.

There should be an inquiry into why CPS took the case up in the first place, political pressure etc ?

What FM is doing there, apart from trying to shift the blame onto Christians and Jews, is to formalise preferential treatment for the master race, using the standard defect in secular democracy, that all of us here on 4F are totally weary of by now.

He wants a block on state institutions rejecting the behavior or beliefs of any religion.  However, his "religious group" has encoded an entire political system into the fabric of its ideology.  Therefore, by seeking protection and enforcement of all his religious beliefs by state and local organisations, he hopes to gain preferential political leverage and control, by the back door.

Joe said:

Fiyaz Mughal wrote an article for Pink News where he gave the appearence of condemning the Gay Free Zone incident - but what his article really did, was to place the blame on jews and christians ahead of muslims as suspects.  

The chasm widens.  

Well, well. Not only have MPACUK removed the pages from their website by Fiyaz Mughal, the Faith Matters website has been scrubbed from the Internet Archive.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://faith-matters.org/

Looks like someone is trying to cover his tracks.  I wonder: would the Internet Archive allow just anyone to scrub such data from their website, or would the registered domain holder of Faith Matters have to ask them to remove the evidence?  Quite obligingly, the Internet Archive tells us that it has been archiving that site since 2009, but now all those pages are gone.

I'm wondering if Tatchell is sub-consciously trying to destroy Tell Mama.

One thing's for sure, Tell Mama won't be getting funded by muslim donations.  Or maybe this is Fiyaz Mughal's attempt to get all those gays in Westminster to stop shagging and start supporting Tell Mama instead.

Despite the media's total failure as the 4th Estate i.e. they are complicit with LibLabCon, only 36% of Brits have any trust in The Mother of Parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/14/parliament-trust-mps-lia...

Imagine how few people would trust the government if the media had actually told the truth e.g. about islam, about the impossibility of sustaining the welfare state, about immigration, about the EDL, about how MPs all have multiple paid jobs, about UKIP, about the EU, about the lowering of educational standards, about the unsustainability of privatising national assets without re-building industry.

Poll in Wales.

43% would vote UKIP

23% would vote Labour (2nd most popular)

No wonder the presstitutes are alarmed.  No wonder they are doing all they can to stop UKIP (including showing photos of Farage looking demented).

Various polls over the last week have put UKIP in the lead position. These polls have ranged from the most conservative (31%) to the most outlandish (73%).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-poles-required-ukip-anti-eu...

Meanwhile the presstitutes are apopleptic about the Demos not doing as they are told by the oligarchy.

Have I Got News For You really has it in for UKIP. Yes, sure, Ian Hislop and Paul Merton will slag anyone off. (Though Hislop doesn't take kindly to digs at Middle England and, especially, his very own Middle-England Christianity.) However, Ian Hislop and Merton don't choose which stories are to be featured. And it's clear that the HIGNFY producer doesn't like UKIP.

Yes, they tried to disparage them when Nigel Farage was on; but I think he took it in the correct way and came out on top.

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

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