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LibDems labelling HJS as "far right". Douglas Murray was ostracised from the Tory party. Anyone who criticises islam is regarded as "far right".  Even Student Rights is now being cast in that vein.

Looks like Douglas Murray needn't have bothered trying to keep clear water between him and EDL.

Presumably Harry's Place and One Law For All are going to be designated as "far right" too.  Peter Tatchll better keep his head down, or he too will find himself lumped alongside Enoch Powell, Hitler, Genghis Khan and Tamerlaine.  Oh, hang on, the latter could never be "far right" no matter how many people he killed, because he was a muslim.

Since WW2, which world leader proudly declared himself a fascist?  The muslim leader Mawdudi.  But he can't be a fascist because, by defintion, only those opposed to islam can be considered fascist.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/06/mps-deserting-student-ri...

Politicians are deserting counter-extremism group Student Rights, the Huffington Post UK can exclusively reveal, following the group's controversial campus extremism report, as well as links with a far-right society.

One MP has already resigned as an advisor for the organisation, whose recent study was criticised by student leaders as a "witch hunt", while another is considering following suit.

Tom Brake, Liberal Democrat MP, has left the Student Rights' board, shortly after resigning from the Henry Jackson Society think tank. The Carshalton and Wallington MP threw the towel in following comments from the HJS' senior executive Douglas Murray.

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Tom Brake, left, has resigned, while Jim Fitzpatrick is considering removing himself from the board

 

Earlier this year, Murray complained London had become a "foreign country", while in 2006, he said conditions for Muslims should be made "harder".

In an email, Brake told HuffPost UK blogger Hilary Aked: "I am no longer listed on their website and I have also asked for my name to be removed from the Student Rights advisory board."

Brake has already been replaced by Ghaffar Hussain, director of training at the Quilliam Foundation, another group which "challenges extremism".

Labour MP Jim Fitzpatrick is also looking to distance himself from the group.

Aked emailed Fitzpatrick voicing her concerns about Student Rights' "poor research methods and muddling the debate about extremism with the issue of segregation on campuses".

Fitzpatrick, MP for Poplar and Limehouse, replied saying he had requested his name be removed from Student Rights' advisory board "in light of these developments" and the group's "recent conduct".

However Fitzpatrick has since told HuffPost UK he has asked to be removed from the board but "decided to seek a meet with them first to clarify some recent issues before doing so completely".

The MP declined to disclose which issues he would be discussing.

Aked, a student at Bath University, said: "It's a positive sign that two MPs have decided to disassociate themselves from Student Rights, a non-transparent pressure group with no legitimacy among actual students and a track record of producing shoddy research.

"As a project of the Henry Jackson Society whose political support is also hemorrhaging because of Douglas Murray's Islamophobic statements, this further dents its credibility and hopefully it will reduce the platform the mainstream media gives it to spread its toxic narrative which only serves to whip up fear and mistrust."

LibDem Councillor Lord Monroe Palmer said he would not be resigning immediately but as a result of the study he would "monitor" his position as advisor as well as future Student Rights reports.

Student Rights' campus extremism study, which was published in May, was heavily criticised by student communities - both Muslim and non-Muslim. Mohamed Harrath, a student union executive at the London School of Economics, said the group was trying to "ramp up" the effects of Islamophobia on Muslim students.

"There is only one voice that is speaking about extremism on campus and it [Student Rights] completely distorts everything", he said at the time. "Other voices must be heard."

Pete Mercer, vice-president welfare officer for the National Union of Students dubbed the report a "witch hunt".

“We would welcome an open and balanced discussion about gender issues and religion but it’s important that contributions aren’t hysterical and that the word ‘extremism’ isn’t thrown around without justification," he said. "A witch hunt which makes sweeping judgments about student Islamic societies without knowing the details denies the women involved the very equality it claims to wish for them."

Following the backlash over its report, Student Rights released a statement blaming newspapers for "inaccurate" headlines which read: "At no point did we try to claim that our figures were representative of all student events, and those... who have an issue with inaccurate headlines should remember that for many media outlets the temptation to round up to the nearest exaggeration is often difficult to resist."

Other political figures on the advisory board include Robert Halfon, a Conservative MP, and Rt Hon Dr Kim Howells, a former Labour MP and minister of state.

Student Rights has yet to comment on the recent events.

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That Harrys Place article is, amazingly, emphasising some concepts strong on 4F:

  • Apart from the principle of bad comment driving out good, there is another principle: solid, well-argued ATLs generate better and more civilised BTL discussion than weak, posturing, “virtue signalling” ATLs.

  • This is partly because its stance here is of a piece with the progressive lib/left “thinking” on Islam and immigration that it has done so much to encourage and frame as unshakeable dogma – i.e. in the face of the tremendous dilemmas posed by the connected problems of migration and Islamic identity politics, it has decided to blame the public, and as far as possible to turn its back on it.

The lifespan of comments should be based on the number of likes they get, those that get no likes disappear  after one day and the comments that get most likes continue. At least some sort of system where the people that actually read comments and click like, get to decide what sort of comment is acceptable and what is deleted. The left of course being morally right cannot tolerate dissent. I just think that anyone that disagrees with me is stupid, but i would not delete their comments and they could be right. Loony and abusive comments and spam are easily recognized and ignored, so I can see no reason to moderate at all.

Knowing how the Left lie, distort and fabricate, following their beloved Alinsky, we shouldnt believe any of it.

If UK stays in EU, immigration will continue and population will reach 80 million

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3456880/Even-leave-EU-won-t...

Once again, evidence that the EU issue is a proxy for immigration control.  My own view is that if we leave the EU, then immigration will continue unabated, because this is required by the demographics and the funding of the welfare state. But at least then, the issue might become clearer.

Pew Research Centre catches up with 4F. 

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-th...

We started talking about the Ideological Chasm almost 4 years ago. Now they are identifying based on surveys.  I found this from looking at some tweets today between academics on Twitter.

The Chasm becomes official. Wow!

 Brendan O'Neil (who I think is an ex-communist) on the revenge of the plebs.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/from-trumpmania-to-eurosceptic...

We really were ahead of the curve with the EDL. I'm proud to be a pleb.

The Left have been dismantling nations unopposed all too long in the name of international socialism. Socialism is basically wishful thinking, pretty theories that do not correspond with reality. Human nature and the criminal and barbaric behavior of  so many makes absolute equality and universal solidarity virtually impossible. The social justice that socialists dish out is bound to be abused and exploited. Thus socialism is forced to become totalitarian and tyrannical, an evil thing in itself. Do-gooders no matter how noble their intentions always end up doing more harm than good.
What the socialists have done by dismantling borders and welcoming all as equals is to destabilize nations once united by a common culture and identity. Large scale immigration makes integration impossible, and multiculturalism does not produce a stable society where cultures and people have mutual respect. Multiculturalism and indiscriminate immigration produces a society that consists of large minorities that compete with and that are in conflict with each other. Socialism either becomes dictatorship or tears apart and destroys once functional and stable societies. The plebs want back and need their nation, a common identity and to decide their own destiny and not to be told to shut up and do what their betters have decided is best for them.

A few news items recently make me think that there's a kind of conceptual chasm opening up between the confused mish mash of ideas of Western liberalism, and those countries that have had enough of trying to go along with it. A sign that this chasm has arisen, is that the interviewer and the speaker, simply fail to understand some of the questions and responses, and the question has to be repeated.

Imagine this one, in a society that forces parents to allow self-identifying trans gendered men, into the girl pupils changing rooms.

Imagine this one, in a society that pays damages to Guantanamo terrorists, arrested in a combat zone.

Or this one, where the self-righteous are supposed to get so upset at Saudi Arabia doing what we all know it does.  Yet we are supposed to pretend that it's just a country with similar values to ours, filled with people who are just like you and me.  Of course the Saudi kid is going to keep the conversation going as long as he's got the boob shot.  I don't think Westerners have any idea what a precious commodity that is over there.

Perhaps Viktor Orban should be here as well. All he does is assert a nation's right to defend its borders, and its duty to look after the welfare of its own people - yet he is portrayed as a monster by other European countries.

Polarisation, we do not even speak the same language anymore, and it was not us that moved the goalposts, the Left have redefined words.

It's this totalitarian thing about rewriting history the past (and the present).

It appears someone went through the viewings of videos of speeches at the Oxford Union, and ranked them by popularity.

Tommy Robinson's speech comes out in front by miles.  Many times more popular than Ricky Gervaise, Stephen Fry, Morgan Freeman, Rio Ferdinand.  Hundreds of times more popular than Jack Dorsey, Julian Assange, Nick Clegg, John Major.

So what TR has to say is vastly more important to people than the views of major comedians, footballers, politicians, nobel prize winners.  Makes sense he's been invited to speak before the US Congress.


I had to screenshot these from Facebook.  Once someone uploads an image to Facebook or Twitter, they do everything they can to make it difficult for you to download the image.  Which is another way for them to erase information from history, once they delete your account.

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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