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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake on Saturday. 0 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 6. 2 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Oct 5. 407 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25. 8 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10. 2 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies

James Burnham

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tariq Ramadan

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 22. 1 Reply

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply

Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 20, 2017 at 17:57

http://www.thedailybeast.com/reptile-cult-feud-over-raw-meat-ends-i...

Cults of any kind are interesting as they demonstrate the willingness of some, and sometimes many people, to believe in unreasonable things. What people are willing to kill or to die for. It begs the question- are my own beliefs reasonable and sane?

Corn circles, UFOs, supernatural beings, doomsdays, prophesies, the list is endless. It's like a drug for some, they become dependent on weird ideas that they see to be reasonable and sink ever deeper into conspiracies and bizarre theories that seem perfectly reasonable to them. They commit intellectual suicide and become blind to logic, reason and reality; except that they develope an alternative false logic and reality that is to them inescapable. 

I only believe in that which has at least the capability to be proven to be true. All else is theory and speculation. Reality and my own desires are what drives me.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 17, 2017 at 16:44
Comment by Antony on July 17, 2017 at 11:51
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 14, 2017 at 23:22

https://youtu.be/swR55USC9H0

Race is a factor and it cannot be ignored. In fact race is a necessary part of nationalism because without a common identity there is no nation. A nation with large growing ethnic minorities is doomed to be torn apart by ethnic conflict.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 8, 2017 at 9:54

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/07/leftist-intellec...

“Leftist ‘Intellectuals’: It’s Racist for Trump to Defend the West”.

Look and learn, this is the Left in a nutshell. They have but one argument, which is that everyone that does not agree with their socialist ideals is a racist. 

Only White people are racists.

“West”!

-Peter Beinart, writing in The Atlantic, asserted: “The West is a racial and religious term.” He added: “To be considered Western, a country must be largely Christian (preferably Protestant or Catholic) and largely white.”-

(what you are not allowed to say becomes impossible to even think).

We are all now only Persons. I am no longer allowed to have a personal identity because that implies that I thereby discriminate everyone else and am a racist. Which would be fine if the rule applied to everyone. In the fantasy unverse of Leftist “thinking” however everyone is allowed to have an identity, except White European Christian Westerners.

I am a white european atheist western liberal-racist.

-In addition, Beinart also claimed that Trump’s statement that “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive,” a climax of the speech, “only makes sense as a statement of racial and religious paranoia.”

Looking towards Sweden, the Swedes have indeed lost the will to survive. The welfare state and socialist ideals have made them so. One of the prime objectives of socialism is to wipe out any and all differences between individuals.

Blood and soil, territory and kinship are not incompatible with democracy and liberty. In a true democracy given the freedom to choose, in my opinion, the collective self-interest will prevail.

-He also complained about what he saw as Trump’s implication “that American progressives, in their effort to expand the government’s influence on society, are the modern-day counterparts of the communists that threatened Poland.”-

But this is exactly what the socialists desire, absolute power, they do not believe in liberty and democracy. They want the all-powerful socialist state to decide how every person lives down to the tinyest detail. (as does Islam).

“…..It had nothing useful to say about today’s interconnected world in which goods, people and ideas have contempt for borders.”

Trump and White people want to create a global empire that exploits and excludes coloured people.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 4, 2017 at 14:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4aY6kEO3cw

Ibn Warraq: Why I am not a Muslim.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 1, 2017 at 8:58

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/06/29/yes-islamic-terrorism-real...

Robert Spencer.

Yes, Islamic Terrorism Really Is Islamic

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 28, 2017 at 15:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C0sFXU0SLo&t=137s

This is the politically correct academic nonsense that pours out of our self-righteous socialist dominated universities and is spread by the BBC with the intention of destroying  our sense of self-worth and rendering us defenseless.  So that borders and nations can be demolished and the socialist global utopia be realized.

The English came to Britain as mercenaries and invading warriors, not as pathetic economic migrants. This video is pure intentional liberal-socialist indoctrination designed to make the English feel worthless with no sense of history or identity to be proud of, and is intended to cause us to resign ourselves to a mass-immigration of economic migrants that ruin our economy and of militant Muslims that are sworn to destroy us. The Socialists are incapable of recognising the threat that islam poses and believe that the Muslims can be managed and turned into good little socialists. But the Muslims will win out and the socialists will all submit to Islam. which is not such a bad choice for them because it will give them the unlimited power they desire to control people’s lives and to decide who is to live and who is to die.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 24, 2017 at 16:35

Those that came to the British Isles were never immigrants, they were always invaders, and they came with the sword.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 24, 2017 at 15:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG7ar1FBfqY

We the English, why I am a patriot.

 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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