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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: 13 hours ago

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

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Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

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Failed Heroes of the Left: Billy Bragg

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4 Freedoms - Key Frameworks

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How to Live as a Dissident

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Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 6. 2 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25. 8 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10. 2 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies

James Burnham

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The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 8, 2017 at 9:16

Thank You Antony.

Comment by Antony on August 8, 2017 at 6:28

Something is broken in the UK intellectual sphere http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/nassim-taleb-warns-somethi...

Comment by Antony on August 7, 2017 at 20:52

Now up !

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 7, 2017 at 17:34

Tried everything can't get in logged in and logged out just got my own blogg. If you can be bothered do it, thanks.

Comment by Antony on August 7, 2017 at 15:56

Phil - just checked the vox site - sb b ok if u click on the comments section on the bottom line, then click on "publish" once you've written - if still no joy, I could do it.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 7, 2017 at 15:13

I am unable to post on vox popoli, perhaps you could post this for me there Antony.

Mary Beard. 

“It also feels very sad to me that we cannot have a reasonable discussion on such a topic as the cultural ethnic composition of Roman Britain..."

What she says is exactly the point, a point she does not understand herself. To be reasonable the discussion would have to be based on fact and reality.

She included this image of a black-African because she thought it was the right thing to do and a contribution to the morally correct politics of diversity.

“We are all British no matter where we originate” just is not true, history and the DNA tells a different tale. She has not done her homework and like all leftist academics is lazy and incorrect. Algeria was Phoenician and part of Carthage before it was fully Romanized.

Quintus Lollius Urbicus, governor of Britannia from 138 to 144.

https://libral.org/vb/showthread.php?t=225791&page=4

 

Comment by Antony on August 7, 2017 at 12:38
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 7, 2017 at 12:04

The greatest threat to democracy is freedom misinterpreted. Freedom requires responsibility. Mutual respect and tolerance. The media, politics and laws have become biased and discriminating, because a totalitarian ideology that protects another totalitarian ideology has achieved ascendancy. The fine balance that democracy requires is disturbed. The politics of a democracy have to be beneficial to all legitimate citizens. The government really does have to be at all times by the people. Not by moralising theorists that believe that they know better and have right on their side.

Comment by Alan Lake on August 6, 2017 at 21:40
We've talked before about how some criminal strong man will see the weakness in modern democracy, and swoop in to protect kuffar from Islam - whilst enriching himself.  Well, the entry of convicted criminals into the political system has already begun ...
Half of Detroit’s mayoral candidates are convicted felons https://www.rt.com/usa/398680-detroit-mayor-candidates-crime
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 6, 2017 at 17:33

My definition of an intellectual is someone with the ability to understand and to reach correct conclusions independently based on fact or reason.

An academic is just someone that can learn by heart and repeat arguments that are given to him and carry out biased research in order to confirm faulty reasoning.

A few of course are unbiased and want to discover the truth in any given situation and actually have the abilty to understand abstract or practical concepts and interpret fact correctly.

We here that love our country and freedom, and that understand, are brothers in arms.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

For he to-day that sheds his blood with me

Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,

This day shall gentle his condition:

And gentlemen in England now a-bed

Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,

And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks

That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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