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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

Scott Adams: Master Persuader Series

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake 4 hours ago. 3 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe on Tuesday. 22 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 13. 434 Replies

The Left: their Motivations, and their Islamic Alliance

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 10. 12 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 3, 2017. 10 Replies

Tommy Robinson - Interviews and Dialogue Analysis

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 27, 2017. 16 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Billy Bragg

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Oct 26, 2017. 1 Reply

4 Freedoms - Key Frameworks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2017. 6 Replies

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake Oct 14, 2017. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25, 2017. 8 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20, 2017. 18 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10, 2017. 2 Replies

Conservatism: Principles & Practice

Started by Alan Lake Aug 29, 2017. 0 Replies

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Comment by Antony on January 4, 2018 at 8:10
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 3, 2018 at 9:13

PDF link did not work Alan. Reliance of the Traveller.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 2, 2018 at 23:49
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 2, 2018 at 8:42
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 2, 2018 at 8:32

https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/author/ecawblog/

This blog is a mine of information about Islam.

https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/the-reliance-of-the-trave...

The Objectives Of Jihad
o9.8 “The caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non Muslim poll tax [ie jizya].”
o9.9 “The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim.”
[ie they have no escape by paying the jizya since they are not “people of the book”]

Making Pictures
p44.1 “The Prophet said”:
(1) “Every maker of pictures will go to the fire, where a being will be set upon him for every picture he made, to torment him in hell”.

q5.0 The Act Of Censuring
q5.1 The censure has various degrees of severity:
q5.3 Explaining That Something Is Wrong
q5.4 Forbidding The Act Verbally
q5.5 Censuring With Harsh Words
q5.6 Righting The Wrong By Hand “such as by breaking musical instruments”
q5.7 Intimidation by making realistic threats
q5.8 Assault “to directly hit or kick the person”
q5.9 Force of arms “when one is unable to censure the act by oneself and requires the armed assistance of others”.

Etc., etc.

Comment by Kinana on December 31, 2017 at 13:21

Pat Condell's latest video re Islam was removed from Fascist Book. So he moved it to here:

https://pewtube.com/user/patcondell/G9xROPj

I never heard of this platform!

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 31, 2017 at 8:37

Thank you Alan. I stay well away from things like bitcoin until they are generally accepted. It took me ages before I began to use bank cards and I was one of the last people to buy a PC, and then a mobile phone.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 30, 2017 at 22:56

Minds is a valid, legitimate and trustworthy political platform, intended to replace the Leftist controlled Facebook, Twitter, and other social media, which are cutting out all conservatives.

As for crypto-tokens: I've no idea.  But you can happily use Minds as a replacement to Facebook, without getting into any of the token business.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 30, 2017 at 18:45

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/793221494705606656

What is minds, is it a scam?

Sounds too good to be true.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 26, 2017 at 11:11

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/10/25/16524832/campus-free-sp...
Hate speech is protected free speech, even on college campuses.
You would think that a university professor was versed in philosophy, could be objective and understood concepts of truth, fact, reality and the right to have an opinion.
What happened to; I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ?
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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