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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Latest Activity: 21 minutes ago

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

Scott Adams: Master Persuader Series

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake 21 minutes ago. 3 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe on Tuesday. 22 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 13. 434 Replies

The Left: their Motivations, and their Islamic Alliance

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 10. 12 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 3, 2017. 10 Replies

Tommy Robinson - Interviews and Dialogue Analysis

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 27, 2017. 16 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Billy Bragg

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Oct 26, 2017. 1 Reply

4 Freedoms - Key Frameworks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2017. 6 Replies

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake Oct 14, 2017. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25, 2017. 8 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20, 2017. 18 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10, 2017. 2 Replies

Conservatism: Principles & Practice

Started by Alan Lake Aug 29, 2017. 0 Replies

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Comment by Antony on January 19, 2018 at 8:18
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 18, 2018 at 14:20

The song group Les Brigandes, sings about Jacobins, who sound like that time’s Antifa and SJWs.
The French Revolution, Jacobins. 1792.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin
Today, Jacobin and Jacobinism are used in a variety of senses. In Britain, where the term Jacobin has been linked primarily to the Mountain, it is sometimes used as a pejorative for radical, left-wing revolutionary politics, especially when it exhibits dogmatism and violent repression.
In France, Jacobin now generally indicates a supporter of a centralized republican state and strong central government powers and/or supporters of extensive government intervention to transform society. It is also used in other related senses, indicating proponents of a state education system which strongly promotes and inculcates civic values, and proponents of a strong nation-state capable of resisting any undesirable foreign interference.
America became independent in 1783.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 17, 2018 at 9:40

King Charles the Third.

Charles, Prince of Wales
by FOLLERS on NOVEMBER 14, 2017
Birth Name: Charles Philip Arthur George
Place of Birth: Buckingham Palace, Westminster, London, England, U.K.
Date of Birth: 14 November, 1948
Ethnicity: European Royal, English (mostly), small amounts of German, Hungarian, French, Anglo-Irish, distant Irish, Danish, Swedish, Swiss, Belgian, Dutch, Bohemian/Czech, Scottish, Lithuanian, Russian, Polish
Charles, Prince of Wales, is the heir apparent to the British throne.

Prince William, Duke of Cambridge
by ETHNIC on JUNE 15, 2010
Birth Name: William Arthur Philip Louis
Place of Birth: Westminster, London, England, U.K.
Date of Birth: 21 June, 1982
Ethnicity: English, European Royal (mostly), some Scottish, as well as German, Irish, French, Anglo-Irish, Hungarian, likely 1/128th Indian or 1/256 Indian, and smaller amounts of Dutch, Danish, Welsh, Belgian, Swedish, Swiss, Bohemian/Czech, Russian, Polish, Channel Islander/Jersey, possibly 1/256 Armenian

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 17, 2018 at 9:32

http://ethnicelebs.com/geert-wilders
In case you wonder about someone's ethnic background:
ethnicelebs.com

Comment by Antony on January 10, 2018 at 10:12

Greg Johnson & Styxhexenhammer discuss ethno-nationalism ; https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/01/radical-politics-live-on-y...

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 5, 2018 at 16:51

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/22/antifa-anti-fascist-h...

The Left do not understand reality because they live according to theory and impossible ideals.
Reality: Human nature, human needs, the way things are and fact.
They are the good guys because they say so and not because something called the good guys actually exists. Every Muslim thinks he is one of the good guys, as does every Christian, or any follower of any system of belief that tells its followers that they are the good guys.
Define good guy.
Define bad guy.
Hero and villain, saint or sinner, angel or demon.
Someone that selflessly helps his fellow man without prejudice, or someone that protects his self, his kin and his way of life.
There are criminals and sadists and the insane, but what normal ordinary people do to each other is something else. Doing good and behaving badly is a grey area, when not taken to extremes.
Study the history and behaviour of human beings now and for the last few thousand years. What have they done and how have they treated each other. What horrifying thing is happening to someone right this second somewhere in the world right now, not just at the hands of the criminally insane, but at the hands of normal sane human beings feeling justified in their actions.
The Antifa employ violence and that conflicts with their supposed ideals of brotherly love and solidarity. Only Jesus in the myth of Jesus had the right idea, and that is an impossible and stupid ideal that renders you defenceless against anyone that feels justified in taking something away from you, including taking your life.

Comment by Antony on January 5, 2018 at 14:40

Counter Currents answer Sargon of Akkad's 8 questions on the alt right ; https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/01/counter-currents-radio-ans...

Comment by Antony on January 4, 2018 at 10:21
Comment by Alan Lake on January 4, 2018 at 8:29

Thanks Philip.  I've fixed the attached file now, and also put in your link to ECAWs excellent copy.

Comment by Antony on January 4, 2018 at 8:10
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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