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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 20, 2018 at 15:17

Douglas Murray & Anne Marie Waters Decimate Islamic Apologists on London Attack.

In an open debate and faced with facts there is no way that a Muslim can defend Islam and deny that it incites Muslims to commit acts of terror.
Which is why they physically attack people instead of talking with and, most importantly, listening to them.

Comment by Antony on May 17, 2018 at 21:39

Identity politics for everyone or no one ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 17, 2018 at 10:10

Be nice to others and they will be nice to you. Should read be nice to those that are nice to you, which is something else entirely.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 17, 2018 at 10:06

Why Christians are letting themselves be slaughtered in the Middle-East.

Luke 6:27-36
“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. ...
Psalm 109:2-5
For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me without cause. In return for my love they accuse me, but I give myself to prayer. So they reward me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
Romans 12:14
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.

And how Israel survives.

Exodus 21:23,24,25.

But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 12, 2018 at 23:17

Comment by Antony on May 10, 2018 at 9:40
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 22:07

Answer hate with hate, love just ain't gonna work and we cannot remain indifferent.

Islam must be hated and violence answered with violence.

Forget all of that nonsense about forgiving, and violence begets violence, vendettas, turning the other cheek and breaking the circle or chain of violent reaction. Our enemy does not share our sentimentality.

Make sure you are stronger than the enemy, Muslims think we are weak and they are right. We may not be weak but our leaders are.

I have come to hate all of this do-gooder, holyer than thou, doing the right thing nonsense, it'll get you killed.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 20:52

Norman Rockwell.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 20:50

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 20:49

What did they fight and were willing to die for?

One of Rockwell's four 'Freedom' paintings, this was the last in the instalment published in the Saturday Evening Post on February 10 1943. The four paintings illustrated Roosevelt's 'Four Freedoms' speech made in 1941. Freedom from Fear is the most famous of the four.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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