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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Friday

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony on Friday. 490 Replies

The Cognitive Biases

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2018. 2 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 23, 2018. 23 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 18, 2018. 34 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Lily Allen

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 8, 2018. 1 Reply

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Nov 1, 2018. 331 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Christine Blasey Ford

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 24, 2018. 11 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 24, 2018. 26 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 15, 2018. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Kathy Griffin

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 12, 2018. 1 Reply

Kay Burley v. Andrew Bridgen: dialogue analysis

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 27, 2018. 4 Replies

Tribalism: the end of Egalitarianism and Democracy?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 8, 2018. 41 Replies

The Goebbels Prize for Mendacious Propaganda

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 30, 2018. 1 Reply

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 21, 2018. 26 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 1, 2019 at 14:33

Leftist racist "thinking".
If you are good at something, not only are you supposed to feel sorry for those less capable, you are also required to be ashamed of your ability. That is if you are white. If you are black and good at something, you can never be given too much praise.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 27, 2018 at 18:21

The leftist attitude to black people is fundamentally racist they treat them as incapable, inferior and in need of assistance, not as equals.

I am not a racist in that regard, I do not think we should help them at all and that they should learn to take care of themselves

We are superior to Islam and anything coming out of Africa, we have just let our defences down.

The lefties will all convert to Islam when the Muslims gain power.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 27, 2018 at 4:57

Absolutely Philip. One of the biggest obstacles to the kuffar waking up is their conceit that they, and their system, is superior.  Paradoxically, even the Lefties subconsciously think they are superior, but they don't express it. 

Its only when they are being crushed under the jackboot of Islam that they will finally wake up.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 26, 2018 at 11:48

Socialism, Democracy and Christianity are all defenceless against Islam in the long run. We can defeat Islam in an open conflict but we will lose as long as our guiding principles are compassion, tolerance and fraternity. We will lose because we keep letting them in and they breed fast. They are brutal, ruthless and intolerant, they only allow into their fraternity people that are strictly muslim; and they have an effective enforcement apparatus. 

Our only hope is a ruthless leadership that recognises the threat and is willing to eradicate Islam in our lands and wherever it grows.

The Muslims would be better off if they all rejected Islam, but I don't see much hope of getting them to realise this. 

Comment by Alan Lake on December 26, 2018 at 1:43

Another quote from Ataturk: 

Where there is no freedom, there is death and destruction
Comment by Alan Lake on December 26, 2018 at 1:21

"Let them worship as they will, every man can follow his own conscience ..."

and that's where they went wrong. In the conceit of being tolerant and treating everyone fairly, they let the trojan horse of Islamic fascism in, under the guise of being a religion.

China does not suffer from this problem. They recognise that any ideology, even Christianity and Falun Gong never mind Islam, can be a potential threat to the current governmental ideology. 

It saddens me to say that I think it was inevitable, starting from the strongly secular position of Ataturk and his support from the Western remnant, that Turkey would eventually fall back to being an Islamic dictatorship. 

It comes back to that classic of combat strategy: if you aren't attacking, you're defending. Secular Democracy did not attack Islam, so now it is under attack from Islam.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 25, 2018 at 20:34

Opening message on a Netflix TV series called "Wolf":
"Sleeping nations either die or wake up in slavery".
-Supposed to be a quote from Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
(Albion slumbers).
https://www.azquotes.com/author/16269-Mustafa_Kemal_Ataturk
Mustafa Kemal Ataturks quotes are worth reading. It is a pity that his project has failed and that Turkey is once again an islamic state.
"I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Comment by Antony on December 17, 2018 at 21:53

The Sociology of Western Political Genocide ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnjPVizYDg&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 3, 2018 at 6:36

The truth about the  "rational fear of islam" is that supporting Islam is racism. Whites defend islam because the vast majority of Muslims are brown-skinned, (anything not white is good). Islamophobia and racism are two whips given to the blacks to make them feel good about themselves and to enable them to ignore their own glaring faults.

Comment by Antony on December 1, 2018 at 6:53
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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