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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: Jun 8

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 8. 628 Replies

We Have Met the Enemy - by Tal Bachman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 23. 3 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Apr 19. 31 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 29. 35 Replies

The US constitution

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2020. 2 Replies

How to Respond to Abuse from SJW & Leftists

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 18, 2020. 2 Replies

Fascism, Nazism and Socialism - collected articles

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20, 2020. 81 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Keir Starmer

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 3, 2020. 7 Replies

Good Words for Key Concepts

Started by Alan Lake Oct 17, 2019. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Jacqui Smith

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 22, 2019. 6 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 28, 2020 at 7:05

It is an old truth that if someone says something convincingly enough, even if it is not true, people will believe him.

The best liars are those that themselves believe what they are saying.

There are examples of this in the video below on slavery.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 27, 2020 at 18:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iAQ6dA5gJI
A very interesting opinion on slavery by someone that has done his homework keeps to fact.
The Bible does not condemn slavery. Slavery has always existed and it has always been the same: Humans completely owned and exploited other humans.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 24, 2020 at 21:46

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact.
Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Marcus Aurelius.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 17, 2020 at 18:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ekAPlvr8U
Objective naming. Bill Warner.

-The importance of clear and mutually understandable definitions of terms.

(Fact, Reason, and Reality).

Comment by Alan Lake on July 13, 2020 at 15:31
Comment by Antony on July 12, 2020 at 13:54
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 11, 2020 at 14:45

Propertarianism, the name alone repels me. Is it the right to live and the right to own? Life and Property. You could talk endlessly about these concepts. But they are hardly the basis for a movement.

"Propertarianism is an ethical discipline within libertarian philosophy that advocates contractual relationships as replacements for monopolistic bureaucracies organized as states. Propertarian ideals are most commonly cited to advocate for a state or other governance body whose main or only job is to enforce contracts and private property."

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 11, 2020 at 14:10

Telling the truth and stating fact is now hate-speech.
Totalitarian Democracy; which should in reality be a a nonsense term, is unfortunately a reality now. You might as well ask what is Austria? Austria no longer exists because it can no longer be defined. It is now just a piece of land occupied by people. The people are no longer Austrian, the culture is no longer Austrian, the law is no longer Austrian; it is international law now as part of the new borderless planet envisioned, where one set of laws must apply everywhere. They might just as well submit to Sharia straight away.

Comment by Alan Lake on July 11, 2020 at 11:33

I always thought the ideology behind Propertarianism was intellectually unimpressive, and was surprised that it never got taken down. Now it really does look like a honeypot operation.

Comment by Alan Lake on July 10, 2020 at 21:54

Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff: The birth of Totalitarian Democracy in Europe

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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