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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

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Comment by Joe 1 hour ago

Things are moving faster than any of us would have anticipated.

In 2011 I was telling the Left: You are going to bring "the far right" to power across Europe.  In Germany the political infant AfD is now more popular than the SPD (you know, the party that controlled Germany a couple of decades ago).  In the oligarchy called the UK, I've thought we will not see a far right party come to power.  

Two years ago no-one had heard of the alt-right nor Richard Spencer.  I am pretty sure that out of everyone I've met  in the last decade, I am the only person who had read and recommended Paul Gottfried's books (he's the professor credited with the concept of alt-right).  Now Richard Spencer is trouncing others in the cyber ghetto (the popularity of Spencer videos massively out-rank Rebel Media videos - see the stats for Spencer videos, for example this and this ).

And now we even have the alt-right pushing the concept of "white sharia" (fundamentally telling women "if you want to be 2nd class citizens confined to the house & producing babies, white men can give you that without the need to import Islam").  Here's an example:

Consider how fast these ideas are spreading compared to our predictions.  The Left's 100 years of using violence to shut down debate is greatly attenuated in the age of the internet.  The best they are able to do is to confine the ideas to the periphery, but it seems the ideas still get such traction that they move what is considered the centre.

I think we are witnessing the start of what will be a very rapid shift in values across the West.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 18 hours ago

Conservatism Is Cowardice.
I think this discussion is more about honesty than bravery. When a black man says to me that he is British, I say that he is not. But I do not tell the truth and say what I feel if it is going to get me punched in the face. I am English/British, my ancestors have been so for more than a thousand years. The black man or muslim or whatever does not have my history and ancestry. You are the DNA of your parents. If one of your parents is British then you are half-British and so on. Being born in or living in a country does not make you a member of that nation, you belong elsewhere, your ancestry and history are not mine. I am a racist, I want to live in a nation where the vast majority of people are white. I am not very brave but I am honest. I am honest about who I am and my identity and how i want my life and country to be. That is my right. America has a European derived culture, The majority of Americans are European-Americans. This is their heritage and identity. A multi-racial society is a society divided, that will remain so due to self-segregation. Race is the primary identity factor for large national groupings of people.
The Christian values are not exclusively christian values, they are human values. Every society has to have values, laws and codes of behaviour in order to be able to continue to exist. Such as when it is allowed to kill another human being and who owns what. Any nation can have what we term “good” values.
Western Civilization is European and White. We need leaders that will protect the interests of the members of the Nation. A nation has to have leadership; an example that can be relied upon and that is honest, speaks the nation's version of the truth. Define the truth.

Comment by Antony yesterday
Comment by Antony on Sunday
Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 13, 2018 at 9:26

This speech was also vital.
Speech on Islam in the Swedish Parliament - Richard Jomshof (SD) (ENGSUBS)
A brilliant speech.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 13, 2018 at 9:24

Thank you again Joe, and Alan. I have been putting this mohammed video out wherever I can think of and am getting positive responses. Propaganda when true is vital.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 13, 2018 at 5:48

Please can everyone 'like' that video and try spread it more widely.  In 3 minutes it summarises the whole issue with Islam for someone with no prior knowledge, and deserves to be seen by every kuffar.

As for the tricky question of where to file it, this room is as good as any :-)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 12, 2018 at 18:29

It belongs in a freedom and art section Joe.

Comment by Joe on February 12, 2018 at 18:21

I wasn't sure where to put this.  I should have put it on here long ago.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 31, 2018 at 17:03

Sword, shield and laurel wreath. The American statue of freedom.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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