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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Nov 10. 409 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 3. 10 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Billy Bragg

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Oct 26. 1 Reply

4 Freedoms - Key Frameworks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23. 7 Replies

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake Oct 14. 0 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 6. 2 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25. 8 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10. 2 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies

James Burnham

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply

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Comment by Antony on Sunday

Normie Conservative impotence and bafflement (in the counter jihad movement) ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W8wVU8YIVY&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 16, 2017 at 11:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qL5mIZbBE

That Time When Margaret Thatcher Schooled Anti-White Diane Abbott

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZ262b7wBI

Diane idiot Abbott.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 12, 2017 at 14:25

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/people-held-captive-by-terrorist-...

“Why people held captive by terrorist groups sometimes convert to Islam”.

An interesting article, but no mention of those captives that did not convert or only pretended to. In a lifeboat far from land if you are disposed towards religion you might pray to God for survival and make vows that you keep for the rest of your life if rescued. You can never with certainty know, but sitting here in comfort I can say that I would pretend to convert if it looked likely to help me survive. But that I would revert to atheism if released. I think a lot of socialists will convert wholeheartedly to Islam when the chips are down and many Christians die as martyrs.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 8, 2017 at 19:26
Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 4, 2017 at 17:23

Russia was poised on becoming a western democratic state in 1917 before Lenin turned up and spoiled it all.

Comment by Antony on November 4, 2017 at 11:43
Comment by Alan Lake on November 1, 2017 at 22:31
You are not a cowardly person Philip. Definitely not. Otherwise you wouldnt be so publicly opposing Islam.
Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 1, 2017 at 10:48

Unfortunately, though I would say necessarily, white nationalist terrorism is going to become a reality. I wish it were not so, but it is very likely given that socialism has dominated politics since WWII and mass immigration into European countries has been allowed; that our leaders ignore the problem and the suppressed rage that certain whites feel.

I hope the change will be relatively peaceful and political, with nationalists becoming the law-makers. However if things continue as now, with immigrant crime and terror and the displacement and discrimination of the native populations, violence will escalate.

I am a non-violent cowardly person, but even I am seething with white-hot anger and hatred for what I see as the willful destruction of the culture that I love. Those violent and brave or mad that share my outrage are likely to snap.

I cannot see a multicultural(multi-ethnic, multi-racial) Europe working, with mutual respect and harmony.

The easiest and most obvious characteristic of personal identity, what you see in the mirror, is race, then all of the history and culture associated with the group that shares your mirror image. Why is there something easily identifiable called African-American-Culture in American, why is there not simply one American-Culture that all belong to, to an equal degree. For that there would actually have to be a law that forbade you to marry and have children within your own distinct culture.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 1, 2017 at 10:12
Comment by Alan Lake on October 31, 2017 at 15:56
Just when you think that anti-white hate couldnt get any worse, it sinks to a whole new level.
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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