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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: yesterday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony yesterday. 406 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake on Tuesday. 18 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Esme Allman

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 10. 2 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 31. 7 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 2. 29 Replies

James Burnham

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jul 7. 6 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tariq Ramadan

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 22. 1 Reply

The Drag Queen vs. the Burqa

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 21. 1 Reply

Gangocracy: the Future of Egalitarian Democracy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 29. 35 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 1 Reply

The Best of Mark Steyn

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 15. 8 Replies

Alt-Right and the media.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Antony Apr 23. 28 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on Wednesday

It is also my understanding that morality is an artificial construction, in that there are no absolute moral values.

Is it wrong to kill or steal from other human beings?

I do not want to be killed and I do not want to be robbed.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Wednesday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vahAxPl_YtY

Ayn Rand destroys socialism(altruism) forever.

If you price your product too high, in the free market, you lose customers to a competitor with lower prices.

“Leftist liberal professors in the universities are the real villians”!

Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 15, 2017 at 10:30
Comment by Antony on September 13, 2017 at 7:59
Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 12, 2017 at 21:48

If you can admit that your ego and self-interest is the centre of your universe, and is the motivation and purpose of your life, then you are an honest person. Everything else, every activity that you engage in or, think or believe has just one purpose and that is to feed your ego. Believing that you can be selfless is a lie. Which does not mean that you should cease to believe or do good or enjoy life, only that you should understand that everything that you do believe has basically no meaning, unless it can protect you from others that intend to cause you harm.

We can love but....

Comment by Antony on September 12, 2017 at 19:08
Comment by Antony on September 11, 2017 at 16:20
Comment by Antony on September 11, 2017 at 8:16

Reports of Japan's imminent demise are greatly exaggerated ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoSnGXS1WVc&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 9, 2017 at 16:28
Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 9, 2017 at 16:06
 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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