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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: yesterday

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe on Thursday. 455 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 15. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Kathy Griffin

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 12. 1 Reply

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 9. 24 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Oct 3. 32 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 21. 26 Replies

Basic Political Principles.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 20. 6 Replies

Civic Nationalism v. Ethnic Nationalism

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 20. 6 Replies

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Comment by Antony on September 5, 2018 at 8:00
Comment by Alan Lake on August 20, 2018 at 21:33
Comment by Antony on August 12, 2018 at 6:04
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 5, 2018 at 9:56

I hate vandalism.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 5, 2018 at 9:55

Right, but that is the basis of all third world problems- corrupt and incompetent government. Which is a result of the third world mentality. There will be armed guards prepared to shoot next time these vandals show up.

We have corruption and incompetence in the West, but it is not endemic to our culture. We expect and admire honesty and competence.

Comment by Alan Lake on August 5, 2018 at 1:14

one of the comments is that they are the workers of that plant area, and they had not been paid, so took revenge on the plant owner.

I don’t know about this case, but know for sure that some workers get cheated of wages in the Dubai / UAE / Saudi Arabia - that is a far more disgraceful act, by wealthy and powerful  men, than vandalising the plant.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 4, 2018 at 11:14

It is the third world because everything there is third grade, retrograde. Let them sit in the dust scratching their arses. This is also their attitude when they are allowed to enter and live in our lands. They are destructive, envious and consumed with hatred for us and everything that we have achieved.

"Open the borders, let them in, give them equal rights and every opportunity". We already do this and the result has been a catastrophe, immigrant areas are disgusting copies of third world behaviour and attitudes. Here they blame us, so let's send them back to where they came from. They will still blame us, but at least we will not directly suffer the consequences of their savage behaviour.

Comment by Antony on August 3, 2018 at 21:55
Comment by Antony on August 3, 2018 at 6:14
Comment by Antony on July 15, 2018 at 13:59
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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