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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony yesterday. 444 Replies

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jun 23. 25 Replies

Civic Nationalism v. Ethnic Nationalism

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 12. 5 Replies

Scott Adams: Master Persuader Series

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20. 3 Replies

The Left: their Motivations, and their Islamic Alliance

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Philip Smeeton May 10. 12 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Che Guevara

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 3, 2017. 10 Replies

Tommy Robinson - Interviews and Dialogue Analysis

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 27, 2017. 16 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Billy Bragg

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Oct 26, 2017. 1 Reply

4 Freedoms - Key Frameworks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2017. 6 Replies

How to Live as a Dissident

Started by Alan Lake Oct 14, 2017. 0 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 25, 2017. 8 Replies

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Comment by Kinana on May 7, 2018 at 17:01

It is clearly in the Quran.  Al Qaeda just loves Q 60:4

'...enmity and hatred for ever...'

'‘The Lord Almighty has commanded us to hate the infidels and reject their love. For they hate us and begrudge us our religion [i.e. way of life], wishing that we abandon it'

http://4freedoms.com/group/tiles/forum/topics/07-enmity-and-hatred-...

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 15:41

A Muslim that does not hate and despise is not a true Muslim.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2018 at 15:40

https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2018/05/07/al-wala-wal-bara/
Al wala wal bara
ibn taymiyah:
“Whoever loves for the sake of Allah, and hates for the sake of Allah, and whoever seals a friendship for his sake, or declares an enmity for his sake, will receive the protection of Allah. No one may taste true faith except by this, even if his prayers and fasts are many.”

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 6, 2018 at 16:20

I have made a determined effort not to feel guilty about anything that white people have ever done. I only feel guilty about things that I have personally done wrong.

Every race has done wrong.

Comment by Antony on May 6, 2018 at 9:44
Comment by Alan Lake on May 6, 2018 at 1:23

ive written to UKIP asking them to clarify that membership clause.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 5, 2018 at 17:27

Islamophilia
by Douglas Murray
Columnist and broadcaster Douglas Murray, with trademark wit, delivers an alarming analysis behind the events of the past week in the UK, as the country tries to make sense of the barbaric slaughter of British soldier Lee Rigby on the streets of London. In a devastating satire on the climate of fear in the UK today, Murray’s analysis is wildly entertaining yet ultimately profound:

“If absolutely everybody in the world agrees on something – from the President of the United States to most film-stars, pop-stars, Popes, Bishops, atheists, writers, film-makers, brain-boxes and everyone else – then surely they must be right. Well, no. I think they are wrong. Wildly, terribly, embarrassingly and dangerously wrong, “ writes Murray.

ISLAMOPHILIA shows how so many of the celebrities above, have, at some point chosen to abandon any hope or wish to criticize Islam and instead decided to profess some degree of love for it. Love, that Murray points out in the book, is often irrational and certainly misguided: Murray is not afraid to name and shame, and the book’s tour includes novelists Sebastian Faulks and Martin Amis, Boris Johnson, South Park, Tony Blair, Ridley Scott, David Cameron, Liam Neeson, Justin Bieber, Random House Publishers, the BBC, Richard Dawkins, the Prince of Wales and even George Bush. Yes, George Bush.

“They may have done this for a range of good and bad reasons. Some of them have to done it to save other people. Some of them have done it to save themselves. Some of them have done it because they are too stupid to do anything else and others because clever people can be really dumb at times.”

Murray then goes to detail the extraordinary strategic cultural efforts made in recent years to “rewrite the last few millennia of history, minimising and denigrating the impact of actual scientists and promoting the claims of Islamic proselytisers” and he has fighting words for the version of history depicted by Ridley Scott and others in Hollywood.

Artists and writers have been caught off-guard, he alleges, “Having poked at empty hornets nests for so many years they have forgotten the courage required to do the necessary poking at full ones.”

He concludes, “Let’s be clear. For the record I don’t think everybody needs to spend their time being offensive about Islam. Not only is there no need to be offensive all the time, but most Muslims just want to get on with their lives as peacefully and successfully as everybody else. But there is an un-evenness in our societies that needs to be righted…to think that the answer to any criticism of Islam or Muslims is a delegitimizing of critics and an indulgence in self-pity is not to make an advance. It is to pave the way for self-harm. For all of us.

Where people are telling lies about it we should not be fearful to correct them. And where people are fearful – and genuine reasons to be so do keep coming along – people should remind themselves of something. Which is that just as bravery in one person instils bravery in others, so cowardice in one person has a tendency to be catching.” (less)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 3, 2018 at 19:28

UKIP.
Terms and Conditions of Membership.
I am not and have never been a member of the British National Party, National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.

How about being a member of leftist organisatios?

II support the BNP, EDL and Britain First. And anyone that is a nationalist and patriot.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 2, 2018 at 16:59

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/01/catholic-archbishop-atta...

Cardinal Nichols, in 2017 helped introduce the Pope to British Muslim imams for interfaith dialogue just two weeks after an Islamist London terror attack.
Martin Luther’s Reformation hymn, “Lord, Keep Us Steadfast in Your Word” (LSB 655) is one of his best known compositions.  When it was published in 1542, it appeared with the subtitle, “A Children’s Hymn, to be Sung Against the Two Archenemies of Christ and His Holy Church, the Pope and Turk.”
,“Restrain the murderous Pope and Turk” (Und steur des Papst und Türken Mord). "Mord" translates as Murder. Muslim Murder.

Comment by Antony on April 29, 2018 at 16:23

Who made the useful idiots of the Left ? - Way Of The World ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bdS2PjNAvg&feature=em-uploademail

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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