The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Monday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:

Find more photos like this on The 4 Freedoms Library

  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony on Monday. 471 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Lily Allen

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 8. 1 Reply

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 7. 33 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 24. 26 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 15. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Kathy Griffin

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 12. 1 Reply

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 21. 26 Replies

Basic Political Principles.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 20. 6 Replies

Civic Nationalism v. Ethnic Nationalism

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 20. 6 Replies

Comment Wall

Add a Comment

You need to be a member of Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution to add comments!

Comment by Antony on August 3, 2018 at 6:14
Comment by Antony on July 15, 2018 at 13:59
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 7, 2018 at 16:58

Never Accept the Liberal Premise.

"And I would also caution you against something else. Don’t ever accept one of these stupid-ass premises thinking you’ve got an idea to make it better. If the left is out there pushing the idea we close ICE, don’t say, “I agree with you. Let’s close ICE and then let’s replace them with the Army.” Don’t even accept the premise. That’s all they’ll hear and they’ll start talking about the number of people that agree with ’em. Then they’ll keep your idea separate and insane rather than lumping it in as part of your suggestion".

"Never accept their premise. I don’t care if you’re being interviewed by a liberal for — never accept the premise of a question, never accept the premise of one of their extremist radical ideas no matter how clever you think your technique actually is. Never accept the premise".

Liberals are usually wrong.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 7, 2018 at 8:30

Rush Limbaugh seems OK.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 1, 2018 at 9:37

The world especially the West is completely polarized. We have to start being completely honest and recognize this. The Left hate the Right, the Blacks hate the Whites, this is the reality. Any philosophy that claims that different groups of people can somehow get along is false. Conflict and competition is the reality. Tribalism is the reality and in that regard the only unit that works in the present day is the homogeneous nation state. Independent ethnically cohesive countries cooperating with each other is the best that we can hope for. Indiscriminate immigration and socialist fantasies like the European Union are destroying stable nations, creating ethnic conflict rather than alleviating it. Multiculturalism simply does not work, only nationalism and patriotism can hold a nation together, with common purpose and identity.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 9, 2018 at 15:04
Though an excellent comedian, Stephen Fry fails to understand the brutality and selfishness of human nature, by believing in the high moralistic theory dreamt up by liberal socialist idealists. Human beings are not good unless forced to be by law. In principle a young woman should be able to wander around naked anywhere that she chooses without being molested, but she cannot. The same is true about every naive idea that all things being equal human beings will behave well and respect each other. Life and property and freedom are only yours if you are strong enough to protect them.
"Being right"? Only fact is right, all else is subjective and speculative. Just like truth.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 6, 2018 at 14:35

well-meaning. sense of morality.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 6, 2018 at 14:33




truth produces good if the intention is good?

Define good or define truth. Like what the christians and such-like call truth.

and do-gooders usually end up doing harm.

A fact is true, well-being is good.

There are currently almost eight billion individual versions of good and truth on this planet. Good and Truth is what each different group of people can agree that it is, the same applies to their collective morality.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 5, 2018 at 19:06
Comment by Antony on May 27, 2018 at 5:58

Prof Kevin MacDonald - The Standing Critique ;


Members (41)


Monitor this Page

You don't have to be a member of 4F to follow any room or topic! Just fill in on any page you like.

Privacy & Unsubscribe respected

Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

© 2018   Created by Netcon.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service