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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: on Thursday

Key Info

Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony on Thursday. 491 Replies

The Cognitive Biases

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2018. 2 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 23, 2018. 23 Replies

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 18, 2018. 34 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Lily Allen

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 8, 2018. 1 Reply

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Nov 1, 2018. 331 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Christine Blasey Ford

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 24, 2018. 11 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 24, 2018. 26 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Linda Sarsour

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 15, 2018. 9 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Kathy Griffin

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 12, 2018. 1 Reply

Kay Burley v. Andrew Bridgen: dialogue analysis

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 27, 2018. 4 Replies

Tribalism: the end of Egalitarianism and Democracy?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 8, 2018. 41 Replies

The Goebbels Prize for Mendacious Propaganda

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 30, 2018. 1 Reply

Jordan Peterson: Top Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Aug 21, 2018. 26 Replies

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Comment by Joe on January 10, 2013 at 18:09

I've heard several Americans tell me that the US has a very serious problem with people taking anti-depressants, and that it is these that are responsible for provoking these mass shootings.  I had never heard that before, but Alex Jones makes sure he makes that point over and over again. 

Comment by Joe on January 10, 2013 at 18:05

Don't play their game.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 6, 2013 at 3:43

SA has a policy of "positive economic discrimination", however it is purely race based and ignores whites who have been forced into poverty.

Watch how the SA minister bullies the interviewer and refuses to answer any question if it simply asks about the welfare of whites.

Here you see the future of the gang mentality which awaits us all.  In South Africa, the concept of universal human rights is a distant memory, and rights are distributed according to which gang, grouping or tribe you belong to, and who has the power.  Its a system that Islam can also manipulate perfectly.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 6, 2013 at 3:04

Watch how, in this debate, the female Muslim revert/convert repudiates any suggestions that tolerance of Homosexuality or Blasphemy is an inviolable right. She insists we need go back and review these, because  there are already people in this country who believe that.  Note that:

  • no non-Gay speakers rush to back up Tatchell and Murray.  So every non-Gay person there is happy to discuss the option of discriminating against Gays again, because some people are offended by it!
  • Tatchell criticizes specific religions by their exact name; but when it comes to FGM, honour killings or apostasy, he says uses phrases like "and there are some religions which ..."

Comment by Alan Lake on January 3, 2013 at 15:33

I've got that book: Metaphors We Live By!

I've given up hope of reading it this decade, so I can lend it to you :-)

Comment by Joe on January 1, 2013 at 15:46

In this debate with Douglas Murray, Ramadan makes all the right noises, and Ramadan's opponents miss many knockout punches.   http://vimeo.com/11833876 They fail to educate the audience to know that Mohammed was responsible for mass murder, torture and assassination; they fail to point out that the koran says muslims must dominate not integrate.  Nevertheless, by the end of the debate, most of those who were undecided, have gone over to the anti-islamic side.

The only westerners who Ramadan fools are those who want to be fooled - the academics who have failed in their jobs, the journalists who are too scared to believe that muslims will kill them for criticising islam.  They are the people who talk him up.

Comment by Joe on December 24, 2012 at 13:39

I've been propounding the narrativisation of experience for decades, so I'm glad to see it is catching on.   Here's some works in a similar vein.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Narrative-v/dp/0226713326
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Metaphors-We-Live-George-Lakoff/dp/0226468011

Comment by Alan Lake on December 24, 2012 at 9:13

This is quite abstract, but priceless.

Comment by Alan Lake on September 10, 2012 at 20:07

An example of a superlative speech, by Boris Johnson. Learn and enjoy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19549553

Comment by Alan Lake on July 21, 2012 at 7:37
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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