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Monday, December 14, 2009

Whose Law?

by Baron Bodissey

Elisabeth Sabaditsch-WolffMost readers are
familiar with Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, the Austrian anti-jihad
activist who is facing a “hate speech” charge
for one of her recent presentations on Islam.

The evening after her “Islamophobic” speech was publicized in the Austrian press — on
November 26th, 2009 — Elisabeth gave the third in a series of lectures
on Islam. Considering that her previous presentation was the one that
brought down the “hate speech” charge on her head, Elisabeth’s lecture
that night drew a lot of attention.

The video below shows the first part of her lecture about sharia law, which was the final seminar
on the topic presented in Vienna. Listen to what she says and see if
there’s anything that’s untrue, or inflammatory, or that passes the
bounds of reasonable opinion. Like Geert Wilders, she is being targeted
for speaking up about matters that the political elite prefer to keep
under the rug.

During her presentation Elisabeth refers to the media gathered outside the venue who want her to make a statement:


Many thanks to Vlad Tepes for the subtitles.

The full transcript of this portion of Elisabeth’s lecture is below the jump.
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I want to thank you and also thank you for your support
I will need any kind of support and can tell you that I will not give up
I will not back down because this is a matter of principle: the truth
Because if we can’t tell the truth any more we can close down everything. Science and schools.
This is what we are talking about. Not about me — Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff — it’s about our future
And it’s about our children. It’s not about me. It just hit me — it’s not the first time and it will not be the last time
I am attracting such things. But somebody has to do this. And it will be me who is doing this.
The irony of the story is, that today we will talk about freedom of opinion
This was not planned. I mean we always planned to talk about freedom of opinion
But we didn’t plan that the whole story gets such an explosiveness.
They would like to head me off and force me to make statements.
Statements which are then misinterpreted. And this is no freedom of opinion any more.
And as we said last time that there is no freedom of opinion any more — we have the best example for this now.
It’s nice that ESW thinks she has to save the world, but there are other people who are concerned
Never mind! It’s just not comfortable if you are a matter of public interest of NEWS
I just wanted to tell you that I don’t know how long I can keep up
I just ask for your understanding. If I keep up — okay, if not, please understand it.
Okay, today we will talk about how Islam is influencing our lives
Person in the audience asks for documents
Person in the audience asks if they will be informed about the developments in the case via the homepage of ESW
ESW answers: no, you will not read anything on my homepage
ESW: we did not make any decision yet
ESW: I will not make any statements in public and I ask you not to talk in public either
Person in the audience says something which is not understandable
A statement to the article in NEWS: 95% of the article are correct
Some things are wrong, respectively wrongly quoted and misinterpreted but 95% are correct.
Even though I wanted to counter, I could not, because it’s the truth what they wrote
And it will be the truth in front of the court
We will talk about the fact that Islam is a religion and a state
You know this already. But media don’t and they don’t want to know it. But we will know it.
No relevant statements
Before we start I want to mention one fundamental point: I am a critic of Islam
You know this. If you want to hear positive things about Islam, you are wrong here.
Then you have to go to the Islamic community, where you will hear the other side.
I never said — and I will never say — that the Muslims are evil.
I always said, that I feel for the Muslims. And you will agree with that.
I feel sorry for them, because they suffer from this slavery
There were never overall denunciations. We are talking about Islam!
Not about Muslims. I want to clarify this.
I call upon my right for freedom of opinion with this lecture.
This is my right. And I call upon it.
And I ask all of you for objective statements.
No polemics, no agitation. Just objective statements and questions.
There are always people who kick over the traces
But we don’t want to make the Islam-Lobby a case for attacking us.
The Islam-Lobby, these are the do-gooders. We are not their idiots.
Another point: It’s interesting that in our male-dominated justice it’s always the women who are accused
Accused because of agitation. We should think about this.
A patriarchy in justice
I am a mother and I am a feminist. And I will not let this happen.
That women are pilloried again. Think of Oriana Fallaci. Think of Susanne Winter.
Think of Brigitte Bardot who was convicted so often. I am just the next in line.
It’s always the women.
Why is it always women. Why is it women who go out and not men.
And as a feminist I feel attacked.
I fight for women and I fight for my daughter. For that she can grow up in freedom and dignity.
This is important for me. I don’t want my words to be perverted.
So if we have a discussion, then please in an objective way.
Thank you.
Applause
Any questions?
We will discuss this quietly. And we will have the breaks in here.
We will talk about Sharia today.
It’s Sharia, which is a problem for us. We will go in more detail.
There is Sharia in finance resp. monetary system.
We will talk about the organisation of Islamic states.
We will talk about the term “Islamophobia” and how they use it, to prohibit criticism on Islam.
We will talk about human rights in Islam. A point which affects me at the moment.
We will talk about women’s rights and — if we have time — about female circumcision.
We could miss this out and you read about it.
Honour killings, which of course have a relation to human and women rights in Islam.
We will talk about western politics of respectfulness
How the west practices appeasement towards Islam
And how this is done
If we have time, we will talk about mosques
That mosques are not only a place of prayers but have many functions
Only at the end we will talk about prayers
We will talk about tabooization and how it is done
Some of these taboos we have seen already
Let’s see how far we come
Which consequences does Sharia have for Europe?
What happens if Sharia is implemented? In fact, it is implemented already.
This is a subtle implementation, but it’s creeping quickly
Subtle and quick — this seems to be an antagonism
The Sharia — the Islamic law — is responsible for serious violation of human rights
These violations of human rights in Islamic countries concern Muslims and Non-Muslims.
The discrimination and sexual degradation of women
A woman is only half the worth of a man. Her words, her evidence, her position in society.
Sharia means censorship and prohibition of criticism.
We have seen this already. What happened today is — Sharia.
They wanted to muzzle us
Compared to our standards, sharia means inhuman punitive measures
I talk about the so-called “hudd”-punishments. Cropping off hands, stoning.
All the cruelties, which — as they say — have nothing to do with Islam.
Refusal of individual rights of freedom
You know by now that one loses any right of freedom when one converts to Islam.
Dictating what to do and prohibition
Your might remember the book of Qaradawi
which was used in high schools in Islamic religious education
Where you are in detail told what you are allowed to do and what you must not do
You are patronized — in a way in which I don’t even patronize my child-daughter
And they are patronizing adults — concerning clothing and food
Remember: “May men pick brows? May men wear gold jewellery?”
All this is regularized in Sharia.
There is no Islam without Sharia.
You cannot separate one from the other
There is no separation!
An Islamic society with the sharia is an ideal.
This should be the target state in Islam, designed by Mohammed
Which means, Saudi-Arabia is the ideal society, the ideal Islamic society
Don’t forget — it’s a governmental construction
Remember the first page. Islam is a religion and a state.
As soon as we acknowledge Islam, we have a state within the state
The Islamic law is beyond any discussion
As according to the Islamic point of view, divine law stands above state law.
And because there is no discussion, we are facing all the problems
That’s it
There are very small ranges of interpretation
But you may remember the closure of the Ijtihad in the 11th century.
This terminated any possibility of interpretation
As long as this door is closed (gate of ijthihad)
There will be now change, no maceration, no advancement of Islam
Okay, no discussion and — of course — no denial.
An Islamic state cannot say: we leave sharia
Polygamy. It is allowed for men in sharia
You know that men can marry 4 women at the same time
The Koran says this is possible if all are treated in the same way
This is also pedals the man. It makes life difficult for men.
First of all polygamy stokes resentments among the women
Very often it causes jealousy, hate and disaffirmation between them
And it is also a stress-situation for the men, not only physically
It is an emotional stress. They have to consider, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
“do I really treat my wives in an equal way?”
Monogamy is only regulated by law in Turkey and Indonesia.
Whereas in Indonesia it is softened already because of sharia
Modest corporal punishment is allowed
And again it might be a problem for the man, that his religion
Allows him to beat his wife whom he loves — or not. This is emotional stress.
In sharia it’s not the courts which decide on compensation-money
The families have the right to claim it
Or they can claim the death of the delinquent or certain vendetta. There is no jurisdiction in this case
Burglary is punished with a “hudd”-punishment — amputation
Scholars say that this is a determent. But I doubt this.
Man in the audience: “What about the Sharia-courts in Great Britain?”
They deal with family, marriage and inheritance law
I have not heard about any other judgements. Not yet.
Here we have some examples how sharia is realized. We will not discuss this now.
I give you the points and you connect them
If you say, yes, this is sharia and it’s awkward, then it’s time to stand up and say: not with us!
If you say, no this is nonsense, it’s just far-fetched cases, then it’s also okay for me.
But these cases did really happen
Sharia constitutes the different clothing-directives
There is a head-scarf surah, although it’s controversial
They dispute, if this surah really has to be interpreted in this way
But as it is practised today, I assume that it is valid
There are more and more head-scarves, which means it is understood in this way
I look at the facts and do a reality-check. And they are becoming more and more.
What theologians say is in this case not relevant
Sharia contains different rights for men and women
Women are not treated equally by this religious law. This is a fact.
One can refer to their books, although they’d like to explain differently. It is a fact.
According to the Koran resp. Mohammed’s intention, women are subordinate in all domains
She doesn’t even have the right to her children
According to our law — yes. According to Koran respectively sharia — no.
And from which legal position will the judges act?
Above all, when we will have the first muslim public prosecutors and judges. Which law are they to execute?
Evidence of women, you know that, only counts half the evidence of men.
Women only have restrained right to give evidence.


Previous posts about the hate speech case against Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff:

2009   Dec   5   Fighting a Hate Speech Charge in Austria
        11   Heckling the Counterjihad




Baron Bodissey | 12/14/2009 07:56:00 PM

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Blogger PatriotUSA said...

This is another sham job and
where can one donate to her
defense? Please let us know.

2/10/2010 2:16 AM blog-admin pid-1501222840""> 
Blogger Elisabeth said...

I am moved by the level of support I am receiving. Currently, there is no need for donations. However, things may change fast. If they do, you will find out here at GoV.

Thank you so much!

2/10/2010 12:19 PM blog-admin pid-156424972""> 
Blogger Zenster said...

I want to thank PatriotUSA for reviving this particular article, because a zombie thread it most certainly isn't. I was in Asia during the time that all of this first
broke at GoV and, consequently, unaware of what was going on. I only
managed to learn about it in a subsequent email exchange with Elisabeth
herself.

From what I understand, Elisabeth is still facing legal charges by the Austrian authorities and this is no laughing
matter. In the next few weeks, I'm going to try and find out if there
isn't some way to pull together more information about this whole matter
and see if there are any technical differences from the Geert Wilders
case that can be exploited in favor of the defense.

I have long maintained that Europe is in the process of criminalizing Free Speech. A
major goal of Political Correctness is to so thoroughly interdict free
expression that it eventually inhibits even the origination of
independent thought. It is Orwell's Thought Control marching under the
false colors of supposed "harmony" and that code word for Communism's
long-standing agenda, "social justice".

Once the basic process of ideation has been inhibited the individual's ability to discern actual
truth is typically so eroded that there remains little hope of it being
reached through independent means. This enables those in control to
dispense whatever pap and drivel they wish to be perceived
as "truth".

It is this systematic erosion of Free Speech and Free Thought that has led down the slippery slope into the judicial
morass we see today. Simply put:

THE TRUTH IS NO LONGER THE LAST AND BEST DEFENSE.

This turn of events signals a death knell for individual liberty and personal freedom within the EU.
As a quote that Elisabeth is so fond of closing her emails with
says:

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.".

— George Orwell —

2/10/2010 1:20 PM blog-admin pid-2133800629""> 
 
Blogger Henrik Ræder said...

PatriotUSA offered:
Where can one donate to her defense? Please let us know.

We have thought of that, and decided that for the moment, no defense fund is needed. We do
not know if this will be taken to court or dropped (it should be
dropped, of course), and it would be somewhat premature to ask for
monetary support before we know if this becomes a real problem.

Of course some lawyer fees apply already, but that's relatively minor.

2/11/2010 9:44 AM blog-admin pid-1337442233""> 

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Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff at the Freedom Defense Initiative
Gates of Vienna 22 February 2010

From the launch of the Freedom Defense Initiative, which was organized by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. Elisabeth spoke at length about the hate-speech case mounted against her by the Austrian authorities, and also recounted some of her experiences living and working in Iran, Kuwait, and Libya. Thanks to UAC, Elisabeth’s appearance at the FDI event is now available on video:

[Lenght 14'] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lILsrhsFZjQ

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