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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Despite the attempt by MPACUK to act as if it was islamofauxbia that led to the riot…"

Joe replied Jun 20, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"How would you expect muslims in Britain to respond to this story?  They'd say that m…"

Joe replied Jun 14, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/burmamyanmar/9322765/Burma-declares-…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"Further information is to be found in the report below.  Whilst the new president is…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"Antony and Shiva, thanks for the info.  Interesting stuff. Paul, it could well mean…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"There is more detail in The Independent.  It seems the president of Burma is referri…"

Joe replied Jun 11, 2012 to Burma: Muslims Rape & Murder, More Muslims Riot

15 Jul 26, 2012
Reply by Antony

"There has been a lot of heat and smoke in this thread, and even before that heat and…"

Joe replied Jun 8, 2012 to Are Buddhists useless in the fight against Islam?

68 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"http://www.scribd.com/doc/75394027/Sipri-Thailand-Islamism  Conflict in Southern Tha…"

Joe replied Jun 4, 2012 to Books

1 Jun 4, 2012
Reply by Joe

"Brother Mark, I wanted to write a response to this, but it would have taken a lot of…"

Joe replied Jun 2, 2012 to Are Buddhists useless in the fight against Islam?

68 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"I agree with Shiva.  A meta-discussion is not going anywhere. And I can see how Shiv…"

Joe replied Jun 2, 2012 to Are Buddhists useless in the fight against Islam?

68 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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