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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Brother Mark, that's a good point.  It would be helpful if we could all try to provi…"

Joe replied May 29, 2012 to Most muslim part of Malaysia forces Buddhists to act like Muslims

16 May 31, 2012
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"These statistics back up all the views expressed to me by chinese Malaysians I've me…"

Joe replied May 29, 2012 to Most muslim part of Malaysia forces Buddhists to act like Muslims

16 May 31, 2012
Reply by shiva

"Let me see if my understanding helps (my understanding may be a misunderstanding). A…"

Joe replied May 28, 2012 to Most muslim part of Malaysia forces Buddhists to act like Muslims

16 May 31, 2012
Reply by shiva

"Brother Mark's comments are inset (and he has emboldened the remarks of mine to whic…"

Joe replied May 25, 2012 to Are Buddhists useless in the fight against Islam?

68 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"Brother Mark, there is plenty of information from the history of islamic imperialism…"

Joe replied May 24, 2012 to Are Buddhists useless in the fight against Islam?

68 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"1. cross-border people smuggling/crime is the problem. The article from Timesays:  "…"

Joe replied Apr 15, 2012 to Thailand: Fascists murder 5000 since 2004 in takeover of South

3 May 6, 2015
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"As the number of these atrocities keeps rising (and as our media and "human rights a…"

Joe replied Apr 15, 2012 to Thailand: Fascists murder 5000 since 2004 in takeover of South

3 May 6, 2015
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"I found this website that actually contains pictures of some of the victims of these…"

Joe replied Apr 25, 2010 to Thailand; This Is War

4 Aug 14, 2012
Reply by shiva

"I thought I'd add some more details to this. I read a couple of weeks ago that 75% o…"

Joe replied Apr 18, 2010 to Thailand; This Is War

4 Aug 14, 2012
Reply by shiva

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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